remote disposal, rictameter [ REVISION #1 ] Options

[JustDaniel]

remote disposal


Do south

and north go on

as east and west, extend

forever?  ...or have both an end?

“removed our sins as far as east from west”

God has not said, “as far as north from south…”

What diff’rence does that make?

To see, just go

due south.


© Daniel J Ricketts 17 July 2005

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Do south
and north go on
as east and west, extend
indefinitely . . .  never end?
“removed our sins as far as east from west”
God has not said, “as far as north from south…”
What diff’rence does that make?
To see, just go
due south.

[Guest_Cathy_*]

Hi Daniel!

I don't think I'd want to go South just now.

I like the way you've used "do" and "due",
beginning and end.  Same pronunciation,
different meaning - works well here.

Good question too - what difference does it make?

Cathy ???

[jgdittier]

Dear Daniel,
You've a talent for all varieties of poetic expression, but I like your wit even more.
I do think these comments are due.
Cheers,     Ron
(imitation is the sincerest form of flattery)

[JLY]

Daniel,
I enjoyed the message you skillfully purveyed in this format; this was cleverly done; one of your recent best.
JLY

[Guest_Toumai_*]

Hi, Daniel

This one has lost me .... south? American South? South America? Antarctica? I fear I must be very obtuse today  :(

Sorry, I need a little light to think this through.  :turtle:

Fran

[Guest_Jox_*]

Hi Daniel,

I'm perplexed in the same way Fran is. However, I do have two possible interpretations.

1. Due South as in the developing World (apologies to Aus and NZ etc) - indicating this is about global poverty - north / south divide.

2. Down (South) meaning Hell.

or is this specific to the USA?

or are we using N /S is some philosophical metropical way?

Cheers, J.

[Guest_Nina_*]

Hi Daniel

Make that 3 perplexed readers.  

The only due south I can think of is the way everything sags as you get older, except of course one's spreading girth, though how that fits in with North, East, West and sins I have no idea.

Nina

[JustDaniel]

a quick note to Fran, Nina and James:

Part of the concept here comes from the scripture quoted from Psalm 103.

The concept is that east and west to not "meet" as north and south do, and that God, in removing sins from us, has done it "as far as the east is from the west."

Note this riddle, for example.  You're visiting a round house, and every window in it looks south.  Looking out of one of the windows you see a bear.  What color is it?

I hope that helps.

deLightingly, Daniel  

[Guest_Nina_*]

Hi Daniel

urmm no, I'm still none the wiser.  

still very perplexed

Nina

[JustDaniel]

Hmmm...

The answer to the riddle: White; it's a polar bear.  You're at one of the places where north and south meet -- the North Pole.  EVERY direction you look at that point is SOUTH.  Likewise, if you were standing exactly on the South Pole, everywhere you look would be NORTH.  

The point is, North and South meet; East and West don't.  You can continue flying east or west till hell freezes over.  THAT is how far God has removed the sins He's forgiven (and that, according to Psalm 103, not me).

hoping that gives more Light?

Daniel  :sun:

[Guest_Nina_*]

Hi Daniel

I'm afraid I'm still feeling rather dense.  

I understood your riddle about the North Pole and that because of the way Man has divided up the earth, North meets South but there is no drawn boundary for where East meets west (though there is some sort of differentiation between the West and the East as far as countries go)

However I still do not understand the main point you are making about removing sins and its relevance to North, South, East and West.

Nina

[JustDaniel]

You're by no means dense, my friend.

I'm merely putting a Biblical concept into the form of a rictameter.  The passage in reference simply says "As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our sins from us."

The 'explanation' of that concept merely is the idea of being able to continue for eternity going either east or west and never finding the 'end' of that journey.  I mention north and south in the explanation because you cannot do that.  If you head EITHER north or south, eventually you'll be heading south or north, precisely because they DO meet. [ Note, that WE didn't have a thing to do with making things that way; the earth is spinning on the north and south axis.  That's the reason that N and S "meet." --- and I do hope that I'm not opening up a philosophical can of worms that would get this tile place somewhere in oblivion! *smile* ]  

The point is that God communicated to us that his removing our sins is to such a remote disposal point that we'll never reach it.  They're GONE.

blessings in that Light, Daniel  

P.S.  I'm so sorry to have confuzzled you!  Thanks for your persistence.

[Guest_Nina_*]

Hi Daniel

Thanks for your patience.

LOL persistence is my middle name.

I think I'm a little clearer in my understanding now and I think I'll keep the lid on the philosophical can of worms and differing views on religion.

Cheers

Nina

[Guest_Jox_*]

Hi Daniel...

Thanks very much for your efforts at explaining.

The North pole riddle is, indeed, well known. But east and west do meet. For if one travells, say, west then one must evenually be in the east and vice-versa. So, ipso, facto, east and west must meet at two points. (They are, as Nina says), human constructs so have to be finite.

As regards the religious message - sorry I don't understand that. Maybe it's simply a poor metaphor in the Bible?

However, if it simply means that God is absolving us of sins, fair enough.

Hope that makes sense?

Cheers, J.

[Arnfinn]

Ha Daniel my Friend.

First let me say a delightful piece. Hmmm...Getting chilly


Do South in the globe O  :snowflake:  :snowflake: and when you arrive there you must go UP to Do North.

Because of polar magnetation + - you will allways be going one way or the other Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabee.

 :butterfly:  :butterfly:  :butterfly:  :butterfly:

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeev up yo engines.

HERE WE goooooooooooooooooooooooo

Good on Ya mate.


Arnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnne the Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin  :pilgrim:

[JustDaniel]

Hi Daniel!

I don't think I'd want to go South just now.

I like the way you've used "do" and "due",
beginning and end.  Same pronunciation,
different meaning - works well here.

Good question too - what difference does it make?

Cathy ???

Thank you Cathy.  I do hope that you DO see the difference in the choice of words in the Biblical passage.  

To me it's quite stunning.  

deLighting in His Light, Daniel  :sun:

[JustDaniel]

Dear Daniel,
You've a talent for all varieties of poetic expression, but I like your wit even more.
I do think these comments are due.
Cheers,     Ron
(imitation is the sincerest form of flattery)

hmmm... so you due, dew you?

Thanks for your always kind and insightful visit, Ron.

Lightly, Daniel  :sun:

[JustDaniel]

Daniel,
I enjoyed the message you skillfully purveyed in this format; this was cleverly done; one of your recent best.
JLY

Thank you so much, John!  You're very kind!

By the way, Larry, you and I never did get a chance to get together this spring.  Will be be able to do that some time.  All these Brits are gathering; why don't we try to get together a fete of our own here on the East Coast?
I'll have a bit more weekend time at least after I get our of the National Guard after October... unless they reactivate me and send me off to Iraq (where East and West meet... in one of the OTHER senses of the concepts "east" and "west" ... that James has perhaps obscured?).

Thank you for your visit, my friend.

deLighting in His truth, Daniel  :sun:

[JustDaniel]

Hi Daniel

Thanks for your patience.

LOL persistence is my middle name.

I think I'm a little clearer in my understanding now and I think I'll keep the lid on the philosophical can of worms and differing views on religion.

Cheers

Nina

Thank you for that on both scores, Nina.  As I implied, I had and have no desire to enter into debate on issues that are so sensitive to some. 

My purpose in sharing this and many other poems is merely to display a Biblical concept for the understanding of others.  Whether they accept it is entirely a personal issue; whether it's clear to the reader and whether it's a faithful representation is what I seek in offering such works for critique.

DeLighting in the exchange, Daniel  

[JustDaniel]

Hi Daniel...

Thanks very much for your efforts at explaining.

I'm pleased that it is now more clear to you what my intention was.

The North pole riddle is, indeed, well known. But east and west do meet. For if one travells, say, west then one must evenually be in the east and vice-versa. So, ipso, facto, east and west must meet at two points. (They are, as Nina says), human constructs so have to be finite.

Yes, on ONE sense of the words, they do, as I already intimated above.  But as to their meaning as DIRECTION, they do NOT meet.  North and South do, and it is because of polarity.  As Arn cheerfully elucidated, when one flies north, eventually, given time, he'll be going south.  THAT and ONLY that is the point.  It's not all that obscure.  As to human constructs, so is our language.  It's pretty finite, isn't it.

As regards the religious message - sorry I don't understand that. Maybe it's simply a poor metaphor in the Bible?

Well, that is a bit of a pejorative remark. Interesting bit of literary crit of the Bible, huh? There is another observation that my father oft repeated to me in his self-educated, observant way: "There's none so blind as he who will not see."  I can think of several Biblical passages that elaborate on that subject, but enough said for this context.  After all, we're merely here to offer critique of the form and substance of the piece.

However, if it simply means that God is absolving us of sins, fair enough.

Yes, the point is merely that when God forgives something it isn't dredged up again.  Simple as that.  The absolution is not absolute, of couse.  It comes with a relationship, but again that's not for this forum.  Glad you see all that, James.

Hope that makes sense?

Cheers, J.

sensing your sense, and deLighing in the interchange, Daniel