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Cleo_Serapis
post Aug 9 03, 17:24
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What is Prose anyway?

PROSE can be defined as: The ordinary way we speak and write in sentences and paragraphs. (Examples: newspapers, magazines, letters, novels, short stories, speeches, conversations, everything except POETRY.)

Prose is the unrhymed, nonmetrical, everyday language we speak and write at any or all levels. We usually mean written language when we use the word prose, however, and we contrast prose with poetry or verse. Sometimes (but rarely) we contrast it with fiction, as well.

Inadvertent rhyme in prose, as in "Please clean the screen", can often mar a passage’s effectiveness, just as deliberate use of it is a favorite attention-getting device in advertising.
Like excessive alliteration, deliberate rhyme in prose, especially rime riche (pronounced REEM REESH), which uses two or more words pronounced and sometimes spelled alike but with different meanings (as in He’s a fishy sort, with no more soul than a sole), is of dubious merit except for jocular use.

Good prose usually avoids repetitive regular metrical patterns, just as it avoids or minimizes inadvertent rhyme, but that doesn’t mean it lacks rhythm. Avoid insistently obvious patterns, particularly overlong stretches of text, because rocking-horse regularity can be either soporific or inadvertently funny. Seek instead the variety and effectiveness of a rhythm that reinforces meaning, provides variety, and is easy and pleasant to read, silently or aloud. Parallelism, as in I came, I saw, I conquered, judicious placement of adverbs, as in Attempt the work willingly, accept its discomforts patiently, and respond to the result cheerfully, variety in lengths and kinds of sentences, as in We planned the attack with care, we committed our resources with restraint, and we controlled our zeal with patience; nonetheless, we failed, and juxtapositions of grammatical and rhetorical stress, as in with liberty and justice for all, are all examples of ways you can vary and control the rhythm of your prose.

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Hello everyone!

What an interesting discussion and question!!  

For me personally, I always think of the difference between poetry and prose as..well..kind of like sharpening a pencil!!  For me, poetry is prose pared right down to the very substance of the piece (which is strange for me to say since I really need to learn how to edit properly!)  But I think sometimes, as someone made the point above with reference to Joyce, a piece of prose, can sound or feel like poetry to the reader and similarly, a poem can seem more like prose.  Sometimes I've written what I thought was a poem and realised afterwards that it works much better as a piece of prose.  But what that difference really is..it's so hard to define completely.  Does anyone else find that sometimes specific lines of a poem just stick in your head in certain times or situations?!

I remember the first poem I ever wrote..I was ten years old and it was after the very worst time of my life.  The poem itself was nothing special, not least because I thought that a poem HAD to rhyme, no matter what you needed to do to the lines or words to make it!  It was very simple but yet I still know it by heart today and when I think of it, the words still surprise me, not because they are anyway impressive but simply because what I thought/felt at the time surprises me.  Maybe what I'm trying to say about poetry is something like..a poem sort of sums up something in your mind, maybe there is more room for images to enter or for the imagination to take hold..for so many different and unique reasons.

And yet..prose can do the same thing, I think... so after waffling on and on, I haven't really made any clear point!!

PS John, I like your style!!






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- Cleo_Serapis   What is Prose?   Aug 9 03, 17:24
- - Don   An interesting tack to view of what prose consists...   Aug 17 03, 19:24
- - Martinus Julius Caesura   QUOTE (Don @ Aug. 17 2003, 20:24)...Then a po...   Sep 1 03, 03:38
- - Don   QUOTE (Martinus Julius Caesura @ Sep. 01 2003...   Sep 1 03, 08:50
- - Martinus Julius Caesura   QUOTE (Don @ Sep. 01 2003, 09:50)QUOTE (Marti...   Sep 1 03, 14:57
- - Don   Greetings again Martinus Julius Caesura Apparent...   Sep 1 03, 15:11
- - Calloused   i believe that you are overlooking some of the mos...   Aug 31 05, 21:02
- - Perrorist   Prose is what you choose not to call poetry.   Sep 1 05, 02:37
- - Jox   Hi Perry... I'm almost with you there but I t...   Sep 1 05, 02:58
- - Perrorist   Prose is what you choose not to call poetry or bak...   Sep 2 05, 16:07
- - Cleo_Serapis   QUOTE (Perrorist @ Sep. 01 2005, 03:37)Prose ...   Sep 2 05, 18:10
- - Jox   Hi Perry, Behind my comment was a slightly more s...   Sep 2 05, 18:22
- - Perrorist   James, I think I was agreeing with you when you sa...   Sep 2 05, 19:42
- - Jox   Hi Perry, Thanks for your reply. Sorry, seems I ...   Sep 2 05, 19:54
- - Perrorist   I came across this quote just now, James, and I th...   Sep 12 05, 03:08
- - Cleo_Serapis   QUOTE (Perrorist @ Sep. 12 2005, 04:08)I came...   Sep 12 05, 05:35
- - JLY   What is Prose? depends on your perspective. If yo...   Sep 12 05, 06:02
- - Toumai   John, You smoooth operator, you! (Are you giv...   Sep 12 05, 14:27
- - Jox   Hi Perry, No wonder I don't understand rhythm...   Sep 12 05, 16:41
- - Toumai   John - I was right! You ARE a smoooth operator...   Sep 13 05, 01:54
- - Perrorist   QUOTE (Toumai @ Sep. 13 2005, 16:54)In prose ...   Sep 13 05, 02:15
- - Jox   OK, my bottom line is too big. Right, I'll st...   Sep 13 05, 02:50
- - Cleo_Serapis   I find this tile very interesting!     It seems ...   Sep 13 05, 05:31
- - Nina   That is, so long as they are aware of different ty...   Sep 13 05, 06:26
- - Calloused   i mean, are you kidding me? poetry can be far more...   Sep 14 05, 19:18
- - Cleo_Serapis   QUOTE (Calloused @ Sep. 14 2005, 20:18)i mean...   Sep 15 05, 05:34
- - JLY   "A prose writer gets tired of writing prose, and w...   Sep 15 05, 06:15
- - Toumai    Thanks for that, John Poetry by Dictionary.com: ...   Sep 15 05, 06:31
- - JLY   Fran, You gave us much to ponder about the differe...   Sep 15 05, 06:53
- - Nina   Hi Fran philosophically, would you agree that bot...   Sep 15 05, 07:00
- - Jox   Hi all, Fran, yes the definitions are circular. I...   Sep 15 05, 07:20
- - Perrorist   I think the man on the Clapham omnibus would recog...   Sep 15 05, 14:57
- - Jox   Hi all, Perry: "This suggests to me that conven...   Sep 15 05, 15:30
- - Cleo_Serapis   and romantics ?   Sep 15 05, 16:20
- - Nina   Lori - and romantics I wouldn't know! ...   Sep 15 05, 16:25
- - Toumai   Nina, that's a thoroughly modern attitude: ...   Sep 16 05, 01:08
- - Perrorist   QUOTE (Toumai @ Sep. 16 2005, 16:08)Nina, tha...   Sep 16 05, 01:19
- - Cleo_Serapis   QUOTE (Perrorist @ Sep. 16 2005, 02:19)QUOTE ...   Sep 16 05, 05:13
- - Perrorist   I think 'pants' is British slang for somet...   Sep 16 05, 05:17
- - Cleo_Serapis   Ahhh - dunno Perry. Perhaps one of the members ...   Sep 16 05, 05:35
- - Nina   Hi Lori, Perry Pants means - rubbish, nonsense N...   Sep 16 05, 06:15
- - JLY   Thoughts by other notables: A poem begins in deli...   Sep 16 05, 06:16
- - Nina   Say all you have to say in the fewest possible wor...   Sep 16 05, 06:23
- - Jox   Hi all, Yes Ruskin had a point. Whilst an under...   Sep 16 05, 09:56
- - JLY   James, T think we all might be a bit confused by t...   Sep 16 05, 10:26
- - Nina   Perhaps we should start another thread wherein we ...   Sep 16 05, 14:04
- - JLY   Nina, It's the same here in the US. My 20 year...   Sep 16 05, 14:25
- - Toumai   What a good quote from Ruskin. Orwell was another ...   Sep 16 05, 14:30
- - Jox   Hi John, Watcha mate! (Hello, how are you?) ...   Sep 16 05, 14:53
- - JLY   James, Try this...it is far from a complete collec...   Sep 16 05, 15:11
- - Jox   Ta John. Going to take a butcher's... J.   Sep 16 05, 15:16
- - Nina   thanks for the link John. I'll mosey on over ...   Sep 16 05, 15:36
- - Perrorist   Here's a couple of Aussie slang dictionaries: ...   Sep 16 05, 15:47
- - Jox   Ta Perry, I don't see much ponting in slang m...   Sep 16 05, 16:03
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