Time of the Big Bang

During the Big Bang

We see one dimension
in dark between stars
so outline constellations
with names and legends.
Yet from out within
no light relates.

A this appears from
where there was none,
like time out of once
upon what was gone.
No thing is singular,
all will pass to come
like then and now
connecting dots
of us and not.


After the Big Bang

We evolve
counting
instants
as matter
tends to true
disorder within
a stable glow.
…..…..……..
Obligatory order
resolves innerspace
where we slide to sleep
between photon sheets.
==============


Before the Big Bang

How small can nothing feel
before a dream emerges,
like dew into the dawn,
that it cannot exist
unless to pursue light
that has a head start on time
down along the old axis of chaos?

Maybe "connecting dots of us and far between"?
"of us and not" seems too uncertain for this lunar / evolution voyage. The last Stanza starts with "A This emerges". Is A erroneous or stands for Alpha ?

Hi Joe,

It's good to see another poem from you. I like this one - the title drew me in straight away.

Just a couple of thoughts on St 2 (very minor nits)

A This emerges from

Is A at the start of this line a typo?

where there was none,
like time out of once
upon what was gone.
No thing is singlular,

spelling - singular

all will pass to come
like then and now
connecting dots
of us and not.

I find the last line a bit abstract/weak. Endings should be memorable.

Hope something here helps

Eira

I agree that "far between" would work too, quite well actually with one of the themes. The idea of the constellation's stars making sense in one dimension but really having no relation at all is a hard one to pin down...but it has to do with how we understand things...how the "between" is the meaning we try to understand by connecting points.
I see there is some confusion caused by the capital T. There is little we know of the "before" the Big Bang or if the totally expanded, dead/inert, universe is really the end. The in-between is "This" ...if anything deserves a capital letter it is the thing that is all that is... Alpha is a similar term but I am not sure there is such a thing...the pre-Big Bang might be something we don't understand, a world without the things that we know such as time, light, mass, energy... All big questions that are serious but cannot really be treated that way, that is why I put a little goofiness in this.

Thanks Eira. ...all the tinkering I did and never caught that spelling typo...eyes are getting bad I guess. The capital T is not (see note above). It is a short poem so I don't mind putting a few odd things in. Greenwich's suggestion would work although not sound-wise imo. I suppose the whole poem is abstract but I do kind of see your point (sounds like 'yes you are/no I'm not) I guess the whole theme of is/not is central and I wanted to relate to the constellation that exists on one plane but perhaps not in another. I appreciate the input and will continue to consider.

Hi Joe,
Great to see your post. Deep one, this. I read that you put some goofiness in it, since the issues are profound, whether philosophically-wise or calculated with the preciseness of astrophysics.
I'll only make a few comments or nits (sure to put my foot in it...LOL)

Thanks Psyche.
Nice opening stanza. Yep, we outline constellations, usually with Greek names, but not always. And it's a money-making businnes, as well. One can have one's personal constellations with a few expensive sessions!
I understand L5 and L6, but not so much the way you've expressed it. I think about 80 or 90% of the universe is absolute dark matter, as no light is emitted or can penetrate it.
I'll read further...
I guess what I was getting at was “meaning” and how it emerges from “things”. An image with meaning can emerge from pixels that individually have no connection to the meaning at all. We all try to take meaning from the universe, even the arrangement of stars we see. The stars mean “Big Dipper” or “Southern Cross” to us but viewed from another galaxy these stars would not have this same meaning and probably none at all (no light relates). In the bigger picture we try to take meaning from the “Big bang” as in what’s it all about….

Although Alpha and Omega are of biblical origin, still these terms are used to enclose any period of events, without religious connotations. Somehow the A before This is misleading. Alpha would sound a lot better. You could put Omega later on, maybe with a question mark?
It wouldn't mean that this person knows everything in between, just that it's what's generally been studied and/or proven.
The Big Bang theory starts with a singularity that explodes. Why 'No thing is singular'? I like your thoughts about constellations on unknown spheres. It would be nice to include those thoughts in your poem.
'Conecting the dots' is great, that's what physicists seem to do...then they suddenly announce that they were wrong! So we're back at a jumble of dots...in this part it appears to me that you're teasing the scientists.
Sorry, I haven't come up with any new words or phrases. Just some thoughts.

I see that the “A This” creates confusion. “This” is the universe and some models describe it as an exploding singularity that will eventually end in a fully expanded, fully random, inert thing. I am not certain that I can accept this and suspect that there was a “before” and will be an “after” …but it does not really matter as we deal with our own fleeting “nows” before was and will…So that final strophe is a bit of goofing around with the big concepts (space time matter energy life death) that we live with but don’t really understand…and how we strive to take meaning by connecting-the-dots…just like we take meaning (and make up stories) from random stars.
Thanks for those thoughts, I Think the capital “T” may be one step over the line…

your syntax and delivery give me the sense of explosiveness, meanings flying apart and into other realms. I like it. RC

Thanks RC, glad you took that from it.

bump

Hi Joe! A trilogy seems a good idea. I'm surprised at the big change. Good.

Very nice revision, Joe! Really enjoyed!

Like Syl I found these lines a bit short compared to the rest

We evolve
counting
instants
as matter
tends to true
disorder within
a stable glow.

but then I have a feeling that you have reason for this.

Eira

Thanks Psyche

Yes there just seemed more to say on the subject.
Rereading the middle poem I see exactly what you mean. While composing it the line breaks made perfect sense though. I am thinking the fragmented nature might be suitable and it serves to slow the reader down. I suppose short forms like haiku lend to quick reading but other shorter forms benefit from a slower pace. In any case I will have another look at that.
The order of the sections is intentional and meant to throw off the idea of time as a simple arrow. It is natural for the poet to go where no scientist has gone before. There is only speculation about what was before the Big Bang and the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics predicts an inert end to the universe. I reject that idea, not on a religious level, but on purely human one.