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Aug 21 04, 08:18
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There is quite a debate for the poets in us, as to whether Rhythm and Meter or Free Verse is more popular at competition sites.
Here is your opportunity to tell us your thoughts.
Which do you prefer and why?
~Cleo :read:
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Jan 27 05, 16:04
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Good day everyone,
I come before you to talk of nebula and what poetry is all about. Ultimately I wish for a discussion of 13th U.S. poet laureate, Ted Kooser and specifically hope to garner opinions on his free verse, Selecting A Reader .
Poetry to me is like an ocean, but to set limits let us gather around a pool of Anglicized rhyme & meter and free verse. I feel that neither belong in a shallow or deep end. They are themselves the drops of fluid within which we wish to swim. The debate between the two may never end. Nor will this short dip be definitive.
Personally, I prefer r&m simply because it received more attention, skill, and effort. As Merlin said, we are drawn to what we like and tend to ignore the rest. Per Merlin's reference to song lyrics, "Do what you do, do well," is paraphrased, "I don't do fv as well."
My biased reasons are similar to Taita's favoritism for r&m. For this excuse I agree with Merlin that the majority of fv is not up to snuff.
To test the water, I put my toe in "What Makes Good Poetry" by RGarfield @ All in a pen, which is at http://p198.ezboard.com/fallinapenfrm51.sh...icID=3069.topic and previously suggested by Merlin.
RGarfield simplifies with three critereon of a good poem: 1. Message 2. Image 3. Rhythm
I like his belief that a good poem has absolute features rather than based upon personal likes and dislikes.
By example he demonstrated how line length controls rhythm. As I understand it, from other sources, line length is a key modifier of free verse.
From henceforth I wish to learn to better understand and appreciate free verse.
With a magic eye-dropper I extract from the pool two representative poems in free verse at Plagiarist.com Archive: Mirror by Sylvia Plath http://plagiarist.com/poetry/1414/ Selecting A Reader by Ted Kooser http://plagiarist.com/poetry/4310/
Mr. Kooser's is flat and nearly pure prose to my read. This is a poet reported to rewrites each 40 to 50 times and produce about 10 good poems annually. As a poet laureate, he must know what is required and my appreciation is too crude to count.
On the otherhand, "Mirror" better achieved RGarfield's criterion for "good poem" for me.
Did I determined simply what I like and dislike, or did RGarfield's absolute criterion prevail?
Mayday, mayday, mayday!
Don
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Posts in this topic
Cleo_Serapis R and M or FV? Aug 21 04, 08:18 Taita Good topic Cleo!
I personally love R & M so I... Aug 21 04, 11:43 Tao Hi Taita,
Glad to see you're okay. Didn't... Aug 21 04, 14:53 Cleo_Serapis I figured this would be a great topic to debate! ... Aug 24 04, 17:39 Merlin I don’t see this as an issue, or a debate. What I... Aug 25 04, 19:23 Cleo_Serapis I know exactly what you mean Merlin! :wizard... Aug 26 04, 05:26 Merlin We're on the same wavelength, Cleo. I will ad... Aug 28 04, 08:56 Cleo_Serapis QUOTE (Merlin @ Aug. 25 2004, 20:23)
QUOTE He... Aug 28 04, 09:10 Cleo_Serapis QUOTE (Merlin @ Aug. 28 2004, 09:56)We're on ... Aug 28 04, 09:12 Merlin re Larylee -
The one and same, Cleo.
She is act... Aug 28 04, 11:37 Tao Hi Merlin and Cleo,
Thought I'd put in my 2c ... Aug 28 04, 12:32 Tao Hi CarrieAnn,
To answer your question, “Bos... Aug 28 04, 13:28 Cleo_Serapis Sorry about those botched topic replies guys for t... Aug 28 04, 19:39 Merlin There's an essay that I'd like to share wi... Aug 28 04, 23:56 Cleo_Serapis I was able to access the link Eric... and I'm not ... Aug 29 04, 08:28 Merlin Good noos re access!
Never hurts to ask, I... Aug 29 04, 10:00 Arnfinn Hi Merlin,
I read RGarfield's ideas on what i... Aug 30 04, 05:11 Merlin Thanks Arn, for coming in on the thread... altho I... Aug 30 04, 18:37 Tao Hi All,
CarrieAnn, just to add to your comparison... Aug 30 04, 21:50 Cleo_Serapis Thanks all!
CarrieAnn has asked me to remove all ... Sep 1 04, 05:20 Artemis QUOTE (Cleo_Serapis @ Aug. 21 2004, 09:18)The... Sep 17 04, 21:59 Tao Hi Gena/Artemis,
Well Put! :pharoah2
David Sep 18 04, 10:56 Jox Hi Don, interesting points.
R Garfield's guid... Jan 27 05, 17:14
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