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Terocon101
post Jun 1 07, 17:44
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4th version



a soft kiss
upon my skin
snowflake


With special thanks to Lary, Cleo, Liz and Snow.

3rd version

softly as snowfall
she kisses, I feel it not
cool upon my skin


2nd version

Softly like snowfall
she kisses, I feel it not
cold upon my skin


1st version

Softly so softly
you kiss me, I felt it not
not upon my skin


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post Jul 21 07, 17:38
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Hey Terry...

I think when contemplating a new discipline, one should study the accepted variations on the forms then decide on one widely accepted form in that discipline. Haiku, senryu, sonnet or villanell, there are different variations of these and almost every form known. We will have to decide how truly traditional we want our poem to be and then it would save us much time and grief to give a brief description of the form we use.

Most scholars of strict Japanese haiku maintain the 17 sylables, 5-7-5, a reference to season, NO reference to human qualities etc... BUT then there are those who find exception and allow many variations. We will always encounter both persuasions, strict disciplined writers and more permissive folks. It might be advantagous to add a note or a link giving reference to the style we choose.

Personally I feel it is good to learn one, very strict discipline of any form we choose. Once we have learned to do it "proper" then we may wish to experiment.

Very nice work, I won't try to classify it, others have done that better than I could already.


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Terocon101
post Jul 22 07, 16:35
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Hi Sam,

firstly, it's a pleasure to meet you and welcome PartyFavor.gif

I'm sure you will enjoy it here.

Thanks for your response and for sharing your opinion with me on the 'proper' and 'traditional' practice of writing. bart.gif
I both agree and totally disagree with with you, "..one should study the accepted variations on the forms then decide on one widely accepted form in that discipline."
Why should one choose just 'one' form, or why should it be the 'widely accepted' one??
Each to their own, choose what you like... or don't, whatever.

Of course I have begun study of the Japanese short forms..it is a lifetimes task and I relish it. Although I personally do not like to place constraints on myself when it comes to writing or any art-form I experiment with. I still enjoy 'ku's with their abundance of rules and constraints, many of which are very hard to explain and really have to be felt and grasped by the writer.

Its a pleasure to discuss this with you and I look forward to reading your offerings and forther interaction. hsdance.gif

Terry


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- Terocon101   Haiku or not   Jun 1 07, 17:44
- - laryalee   Hi Terry, it's nice to meet you! This is s...   Jun 1 07, 21:27
|- - Terocon101   Hi Lary, the pleasures all mine. I'm glad you...   Jun 2 07, 15:47
- - Eisa   Hi Terry I give a thumbs up to a tanka for this o...   Jun 2 07, 04:50
|- - Terocon101   QUOTE (Eisa @ Jun 2 07, 10:50 ) Hi Terry ...   Jun 2 07, 15:51
- - Cleo_Serapis   Hi Terry, Welcome to our new forum! On firs...   Jun 2 07, 06:35
|- - Terocon101   Hi Cleo, thanks, I think you've hit the nail ...   Jun 2 07, 15:59
- - Kathy   Terocon wrote: I want to make this fit into haiku ...   Jun 2 07, 18:01
|- - Terocon101   QUOTE (Kathy @ Jun 3 07, 00:01 ) Terocon ...   Jun 3 07, 12:47
- - laryalee   Hi Terry, one thing that takes time to understand ...   Jun 3 07, 00:05
|- - Terocon101   Hi Lary, I hear what your saying and I love your ...   Jun 3 07, 13:10
|- - AMETHYST   Hello Terry, I am a newbie in the world of Haiku...   Jun 3 07, 14:02
|- - Terocon101   [quote name='AMETHYST' date='Jun 3 07,...   Jun 4 07, 17:22
- - laryalee   Terry, it's a delight to discuss this with you...   Jun 3 07, 15:39
|- - Terocon101   Hi Lary, neighbour's field newborn lambs play...   Jun 4 07, 20:00
- - Terocon101   Whoops   Jun 4 07, 20:05
- - Kathy   QUOTE These bloody haiku I dont really see the poi...   Jun 4 07, 21:24
|- - Terocon101   Kathy wrote, Hahahaha Terry. You'll be glad t...   Jun 5 07, 11:39
- - laryalee   a soft kiss upon my skin snowflake Terry, this is...   Jun 5 07, 12:46
|- - JustDaniel   A wonderful discussion! Thank you all... and ...   Jun 29 07, 19:46
|- - Terocon101   Hello again Danny boy, glad you enjoyed, I can ha...   Jun 29 07, 20:38
- - Rosemerta   Hey there, Terry, It has been interesting readi...   Jul 1 07, 14:02
|- - Terocon101   QUOTE (Rosemerta @ Jul 1 07, 20:02 ) Hey ...   Jul 9 07, 15:39
- - 4rum   Morning Terry; Part of the point there was in the...   Jul 23 07, 04:31
|- - JustDaniel   ... but I think that others have well noted that 5...   Jul 23 07, 09:28
|- - Terocon101   Hey Daniel, Yeah, I think we're all in mutual...   Jul 23 07, 13:56
- - Lady Poet   Yes! Yes! YES!!! Terry your 4...   Sep 27 07, 03:54
|- - Terocon101   Hi Pami, I have to say I'm happy with that ...   Sep 27 07, 07:23
- - Lady Poet   You're so very welcome Terry...this modern for...   Sep 27 07, 08:18
|- - Terocon101   Classes...here...?...Well, yes & no, by worksh...   Sep 27 07, 11:01
- - Cleo_Serapis   Congrats Terry on your wizard award winning tile...   Nov 4 07, 10:43

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