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post Jan 31 05, 09:01
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Is poetry a science or an art,
its form an inmate's solitary state,
enchained by prose's flavor, naught but tart,
encased in walls of brick or solid slate?

When wisdom rules as commeth forth from mind;
if crystal hard, a mold, no choice allows.
Behold, we've verse of scientific kind,
less choice for guffaws, nor for laughs and howls.

If verse is art, the poet then is free
to entertain us any way his muse
can choose, like Charlie on "Berg's" knee,
and none of Milton's methods man may lose.

May bards e'er be the forces to elate,
humanity's approach to verse, sublime
and pray our minds we vow to never sate
and lose these joys we nurse with beat and rhyme.

note "Berg's" =Edgar Bergin, ventriloquist/humorist,
Charlie McCarthy was his dummy


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post Feb 2 05, 10:21
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>>Dear James, You do keep the board active and it's the active boards that
draw the postings!

Hi Ron - thanks. But I think it's just my big mouth and fast fingers.

>>Re emotional pieces in free verse, I can understand that dropping R&R opens the door for emphasis on message/expression. I don't know how to write such pieces as I've no such training but do understand that others who have been trained can write in that style.

I have no training in writing poetry - nor, I think, have most people on MM, at least. Though, I admit I have - about thirty years ago - studies some poetry and I have taught poetry appreciation. I hope you don't mind if I say that all you might lack is a little confidence - your poetry is very good and, if you wished to, I am sure that you could write well in freeverse. Mind you, I respect your idea of specialising in a specific field - master it. Good idea.

As another point - I never think that I'm "dropping R&R;" I simply feel that sometimes rhyme helps so I "bolt it on." I don't understand rhythm at all - and, unless it is as obvious as Skimbleshanks, never see it.

>>It was forced rhyme, not Poe, now held in low regard.

Thanks! My error.

>>Yore for me means past. Those who write in the style of yore are poets of yore.

Yup, "yore" as a word does mean the past - but the hardly pins it down. Yesterday is the past, after all.

"Why a necessity? If they were very inventive could they not do better?"  Are you talking about style of yore or fv? Our archives of style of yore poetry would be perhaps 10% of what exists as it's (my opinion) 10x harder to write R&R with all the modern restrictions.
As to fv, more invention might be used to include R&R? No?

I'd use modern as defined in a dictionary, not in a poetry text book.

It seems we both appreciate a respect for freedom in what we call poetry. You appreciate the freedom to be relieved from established
meter and rhyme. I appreciate the freedom to write within the constraints of meter and rhyme but it a style far removed from prose.

Ron, I simply like poems I enjoy. I cannot write as you do - but I do enjoy some poems which you write. People are free to write in any way they wish for me and about virtually anything - though some things I wouldn't read and just a few I wonder if society should allow - but really I'm against banning (almost?) anything.

I think I'd better leave it there - else you'll have no rest. However, I'm still puzzled as to how you differentiate between modern forms and old (leaving freeverse entirely out of this), which ages of poets you "model" your poetry on - or are most inspired by - and where that website is!

Cheers and thanks for the debate.

Take care, James.
 
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