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Jan 15 05, 13:08
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James
You are most welcome
Nina
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Jan 15 05, 05:54
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Hi Nina, thanks for re-visiting.
To be trivial for a moment (because such things amuse me). This is my 1600th post on MM and I earn my Fifth pip for my fun. So I'm rite chuffed.
You have interestingly juxtaposed Cathy's poem and mine to make a fascinating point. Thank you. What do you think, Cathy?
My response is thus:
Cathy's sequence of poems complete one work and so (sorry!) I may have missed the justification for the war. However, in the particular verse quoted I see none; it is accepted as is.
My point was that the guns were all ready to kill the pheasant but he was quicker. There is no suggestion he was especially wicked, heartless, brutal nor inhumane (interesting concept for a bird) nor took any pleasure in the killing. It was the cliche situation of "them or me." I suppose the pheasant could have flown elsewhere but the guns would have followed him. Besides, the Palestinians and Israelis are rather static.
How could anyone call the pheasant's reaction insane? A pacifist might disagree with it but it is survival - the basic biological imperative - so is as sane as can be.
Therefore, unless the explanation is elsewhere in Cathy's work, I think we have two very different situations here: two different motives and two different approaches.
For me, war is a terrible business, filled with no glory, no heroism in general and no victory at the end. But some wars do need fighting in order to survive - either literally or at least in relative freedom. When Blair said that the recent Iraq war was vital for the safety of the UK I supported it. I now feel duped and believe the war was wrong. Don't get me wrong, I am sure that, in the longer run, Iraq and the World are better-off without Saddam. However, we can't simply declare war everywhere we don't like the government. I don't see the pheasant even in that light. I see him more as fighting the Battle of Britain against the Nazi invaders. And that, I do believe was right and necessary. Think of the consequences if Hitler had succeeded.
I think the final word "slaughter" was right. For me, it prevented the poem from being amusing (though others disagree). It also brought home the bloody reality of war. So, even though I "support" the pheasant - I still hate the process. In the case of the Palestinians and Israelis negotiation is the only way forward, leading to non-interference either way. But the Germans could not have been stopped that way... they may have left Britain alone but not the rest of Europe.
I think that's my rather rambling answer. Any use, Nina? Thanks again.
James.
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Nina The Pheasant Jan 15 05, 13:08 Nina Hi James
My post obviously didn't come across... Jan 15 05, 12:26 Jox Hi Nina,
Thanks again for popping back and sticki... Jan 15 05, 12:50 Jox You're very kind, Nina, Thank you very much. Jan 15 05, 13:44 Jox © James Oxenholme, 2005. I, James Oxenholme, do as... Jan 9 05, 18:44 JLY James, this seems like some kind of reversal of fo... Jan 10 05, 06:55 Toumai Hi, James,
I can usually throw myself off the ed... Jan 10 05, 06:58 Jox Hi John and Fran,
Thank you both for commenting. ... Jan 10 05, 07:24 Toumai Hi James,
I was definitely missing the intention.... Jan 10 05, 07:43 Jox Hi Fran, thanks for your reply and sorry to make y... Jan 10 05, 07:50 Cathy Hi James!
I think you have a very valid compl... Jan 10 05, 09:21 Jox Cathy, Hi... thank you very much - very helpful.
... Jan 10 05, 09:35 Cathy Others may not see it that way James. Maybe ... Jan 10 05, 12:10 Jox Cathy, I've already lost my "MM Minimalist" cr... Jan 10 05, 12:27 jgdittier Dear James,
I'm still new here at least in my ... Jan 12 05, 15:03 Jox Hi Ron,
Thank you very much for your interest an... Jan 12 05, 16:31 Nina Hi James
I read your poem a couple of days ago, w... Jan 12 05, 16:39 Jox Nina,
Hello and thank you. Thanks also for taking... Jan 12 05, 17:18 jgdittier Dear Jox,
From my point of view, in depth discussi... Jan 13 05, 10:42 jgdittier Dear James,
For an example of a "think piece" fail... Jan 13 05, 11:08 Nina Hi James
On the other hand, how do the repressed ... Jan 13 05, 18:33 JohnK James,
This piece did make me chuckle. I... Jan 18 05, 10:25 Jox John good to meet you - I'll say Hello properl... Jan 18 05, 13:03 JohnK Hello James, and apologies for the delay in replyi... Jan 20 05, 17:23 Jox Hi John.
I think we've come to various agreem... Jan 20 05, 17:37 Cleo_Serapis CONGRATS Jox on your Wizard Award winning tile!
... Jan 23 05, 09:41 Nina Hi James
congratulations on your wizard award. ... Jan 23 05, 09:53 Jox Lori & Nina,
Thank you both very much indeed.
Ni... Jan 23 05, 13:23 Toumai Hi James,
A wonderfully thought-provoking piece; ... Jan 23 05, 14:40 Jox Fran,
Thank you very much - you comments mean muc... Jan 23 05, 15:21 Psyche Hi James !
I love the idea of your poem, but ... Jan 31 05, 10:47 Jox Hi Sylvia,
Thank you very much for your visit and... Jan 31 05, 12:21 Psyche Hi James !
That was a long doorbell ring. Glad... Jan 31 05, 18:01 Jox Hi Sylvia...
That was a long doorbell ring.
More... Jan 31 05, 18:45 Psyche Me again !
No, you've depressed me even mo... Jan 31 05, 19:41 Jox Hi Sylvia,
Sorry to have depressed you more - not... Jan 31 05, 20:20 Toumai Hi James,
Sylvia, I don't think you're of... Jan 31 05, 23:44 Jox Hi Fran, Thanks for popping back.
Neither of you ... Feb 1 05, 06:00 Nina Hi James
I have been trying to catch up on this f... Feb 1 05, 16:28 Jox Hi Nina,
Good to see you back; thank you.
>>I ha... Feb 1 05, 21:07
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