Larry, thanks for the horticultural lesson, I don't know anything about flowers, or not much more than they are pretty and my wife likes to get them as a surprize... I used Hyacynth as the flower, but did use your 'knife(s) through' thanks for that. I think I have gotten back to the 5-7-5 again and maybe finally have it make sense...lol. Whew, who knew that hiaku could be so hard...lol. Thanks to everyone for the comments and suggestions. Steve
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