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Cleo_Serapis
Dear MM member,

Mosaic Musings is always looking for ways of improving the site for members to allow you to be more involved.  We'd appreciate it if you could spare a bit of time to complete our questionnaire so that we have some idea of what our members think of the site. ALL member feedback is most appreciated!

Please reply with your suggestions as we value the opinions of our members. I will also post this questionnaire in the Cuneiform Chronicles forum should you wish to respond there in public. Could you also indicate in your reply if you give permission for me to post your thoughts in the public thread, and if so, with or without your member name please?


1. How did you find out about MM?

2. What persuaded you to join?

3. How long have you been a member of MM?

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?

6. What do you like least about MM?

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?



Thank you for taking the time to complete this questionnaire in advance!

Lori Kanter aka Cleo and the entire MM staff

Lori Kanter
Manager
Mosaic Musings, LLC
PO Box 39
Stow, MA 01775
USA




Cleo_Serapis
How do folks prefer me to post in the replies that I receive?

I was planning to just post in the Q's and A's as I receive them...

Please let me know




Cleo_Serapis
I'll start with my own reply:


5. What do you enjoy most about MM?
The friendly atmosphere - a feeling of 'family', my home away from home where I know I will receive honest, yet fair feedback.


8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?
Personally, I have NO issues with the navigation - the site map is helpful and the category descriptions are also easily visible. The addition of sub-categories has also helped to contain the forums within their set topics.


9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?
There are always things to be improved upon. I'd like to hear what others think first....


12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.
YES, for the most part, ALL crits are well received and respected. The reigning thought in my mind is the politeness with which our members interact.


13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?
YES. I do not like it at all. Good intentions aside, I feel it deters the piece at hand and other reader's thoughts when more than one poem exists in a crit tile.


14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?
YES. Unrelated discussions should be posted in a non-crit forum such as Alexandria's Library. Related discussions (when followed with a crit are fine - however if they take over the thread, then they should also go the the Library so as not to clutter the tile with non-crit comments IMHO.




Cathy
1. How did you find out about MM?  Surfing the web.

2. What persuaded you to join?  The vast array of things offered as well as the crits that I'd read.  I wanted help to improve my writing and I felt this would be the place to do that.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?  8 months

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?  LOL  At least 5 times a day!

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?  The learning opportunities!

6. What do you like least about MM?  I'm not sure there is anything.

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.  Yes, most everyone has been friendly and extremely helpful.

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?  I do now.  At first glance it seemed a bit overwhelming but as I took time to look things over it became easy.

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?  Not that I can think of at the moment.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?  Yes, right after I joined and before I posted anything.

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting? OOPS!  LOL  As I said, I read them right before I posted so I wouldn't goof.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.  Most of the crits I've received have been extrememly helpful, if they were simply comments they were friendly ones.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile? It doesn't bother me.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion? Depends on how long or involved the discussion is.  Sometimes it makes it hard to find the actual crits.

   15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?  Not right now but if I come up with anything I will let you know. sun.gif
Cleo_Serapis
Thanks very much Cathy for taking the time to respond.

We value your feedback! cheer.gif

~Cleo :D
Cleo_Serapis
Hello all! rainbow.gif

The following response is from our member, ARTESIAMEEKS...

Thanks Carol for taking the time to respond!
Much appreciated!
~Cleo


1. How did you find out about MM?  (SURFING THE NET, SEEING SOME NAMES OF MEMBERS I KNEW, THEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE SITE)  

2. What persuaded you to join?  (SAW IT WAS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LEARN ABOUT POETRY, WRITING, AND SHARING---THIS ALLOWS A POET TO MATURE IN THEIR CRAFT)

3. How long have you been a member of MM?  (END OF APRIL 2005)

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?  (I TRY TO LOGON DAILY, BUT HAVE HAD SOME PERSONAL PROBLEMS...A DEATH OF A VERY GOOD FRIEND.  THE DAY THEY BRUIED HER HUSBAND,
HER DAD DIED THE NEXT DAY...SO I WAS OFFLINE FOR SEVERAL DAYS WITH THIS)

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?  (READING THE FEEDBACK, TAKING THE OPTIONS OF IMPROVING MY WORK BY THEIR SUGGESTIONS, OR LEAVING IT AS IS...........BUT THE MAIN THING IS LEARNING BY TRYING TO CRITIQUE OTHER'S WORKS....I'VE NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF DOING THAT BEFORE....THIS IS LEARNING THE CRAFT, MATURING IN THE CRAFT, AND UNDERSTANDING THE CRAFT OF POETRY)

6. What do you like least about MM?  (I'M NEW, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS......GETTING FROM PAGE TO PAGE SOMETIMES, I HAVE TO LOGOUT AND THEN LOGON AGAIN...I'M SURE IT IS NOT AS DIFFICULT AS I MAKE IT, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST FORUMN
I'VE BEEN ACTIVE WITH, AND THERE ARE MANY AREAS I STILL HAVE TO MASTER HERE, BUT I AM WILLING TO LEARN)

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.  (OH YES!...VERY FRIENDLY AND HELPFUL...THEY DON'T TRY TO PUT YOU DOWN OR EMBARASS YOU)

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?  (AS I SAID, I AM NEW AND AM LEARNING TO NAVIGATE AROUND THE SITE, EACH DAY I TRY SOMETHING NEW, AND IT IS GETTING EASIER)

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?  (NOT AT THIS TIME)

10.As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?  (YES)


11.Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting? (BOTH, SOME ALONG THE WAY)

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.  (FOR ME, IT HAS ALL BEEN POSITIVE, I FEEL THAT EVERYONE HAS OFFERED THEIR HELP, THEIR CRITIQUES IS FOR THE INTEREST OF MAKING MY WORK BETTER, AND I AM ALWAYS LOOKING TO IMPROVE MY WORK....WHY PUT IT OUT THERE FOR ANY OTHER REASON?  AND AS I SAID, LOOKING AT OTHERS WORK IMPROVES MY WRITING...I'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE, BUT IT IS A LEARNING TOOL...IT HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND POETRY FROM ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW, NOT JUST YOUR OWN).

13.  When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?  (SO FAR, THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED TO ME, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM....LIKE I SAID, I AM STILL NEW HERE, SO IN MY BLISS OF BEING A NEWBORN ON THE SITE, I CAN'T SEE WHY IT WOULD BE TROUBLE...IF YOU ARE TRYING TO LEARN).

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?  (I THINK THAT MIGHT BRING TROUBLE IF YOU ARE NOT alert).

15.   Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)? (NOT AT THIS TIME, JUST PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH ME AND I WILL LEARN TO MASTER MY TRIPS AND JOURNEYS HERE....I THINK YOUR SITE IS LOVELY, AND I THINK YOU HAVE WONDERFUL PARTICIPATES ON IT).




Cleo_Serapis
Hello all!  wave.gif

I received the following reply from our member, APHRODITE.
Thanks Lindi for taking the time to respond!
Much appreciated!
~Cleo


How did you find out about MM?  From you.

What persuaded you to join? Wanted to support you and your endeavor, while tapping into my creativity!

How long have you been a member of MM? From the beginning.

How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active? Not as much, as of late. Your site offers plenty and then some.

What do you enjoy most about MM? Posting and receiving feedback on my work and reading poetry/stories from others! Challenges are fun too! (especially the photo ones)

What do you like least about MM? If I must include a negative; too many forums. (even though they are great) I think the way you have condensed a few into one makes it more appealing!

Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why. Yes.

Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see? Not all of the time. Lots of info to read and sometimes can be a bit overwhelming.

Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM? No, you have a great site!

As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM? I browsed through them. I have not read in its entirety. Too little time for me.

Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting? Browsed at them before.

Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why. Most of the time. Of course, there will always be a couple of  poets/writers who feel that their way is the only way!

When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile? No.

When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion? No, however I feel that if in-depth discussions become too lengthily, they should be moved to  "discussion" forums instead.

Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)? No. Your site is very creative and includes just about everything for every writer/poet! Your time and effort is very evident!




Cleo_Serapis
Hello all.  wave.gif

Here is the survey replies from Jox.

Thanks James for taking the time to respond!
Much appreciated!

P.S. Methinks your suggestion a few months ago will need to be looked at re: Graphical alternate index page....  Jester.gif

~Cleo  StarWars1.gif

1.How did you find out about MM?

From Grace (Cybele). We were both members of the now defunct “Thought Cafe” writers’ web site. Then Lori PM’d me and invited me, too.

2.What persuaded you to join?

It did take some persuading. I found MM very friendly and helpful. At the same time, Thought Cafe had some very rude mods working on it (it eventually ended amid much acrimony). I value politeness above most things.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?

I joined 6th September, 2003 - about one year, eight months.

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

Several times a day (or stay logged on). To be more active, I’d have to become part of the PC.

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?

Criticism / Help; friendship; learning; seeing others’ work. (In no particular order).

6. What do you like least about MM?

Impoliteness / rudeness (rare); people not responding to crits I leave (rare) Excessive complexity. (Too many initiatives which can be confusing, Too many rubrics.

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

Extremely helpful. Best I’ve ever found - easily.

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

I find it very difficult even now. I’d prefer a graphical interface with very little writing to be read unless one wishes to. I find the forum names very confusing and often have to resort to calling them, by other names to understand.

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

Yes. I won’t list them here - many are known anyway.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

Almost none, no. Can’t cope with them. I just stare at the text and give up.

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

Doubt it.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

Generally excellent.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it
interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if nother member posts their own poetry into your tile?

Yes. I hate it.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your
process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

Yes I dislike it. But that is unrelated.

Related writing is a completely different matter. Most of what I write
is political and if people don’t take an interest in the substance of what I am writing I feel the writing has zero value. I have no interest at all in writing for writing sake - seems pointless to me. Writing (for me) must always carry a message or it has no value whatsoever - though that value may be ascribed by the reader (e.g. to an abstract piece).
So if people were not able / willing to discuss the meaning of my work within the crit I would think the crit and posting for crit had no value. A recent example is my poem about the new Pope. What would be the point of discussing technique / words if the subject was of no interest?

15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help s to improve MM)?

MM is easily the best posting lit-crit site I have ever seen. Lori’s Genesis and driving have been and are quite extraordinary.

James Oxenholme. (Jox)




Cleo_Serapis
Hello all.    wave.gif

Here are the survey replies from Perrorist.

Thanks Perry for taking the time to respond!
Much appreciated!

Here's another vote for a Graphical alternate index page of sorts.  

~Cleo   Wizard.gif

1.    How did you find out about MM?

 From Fran Martell

2.    What persuaded you to join?

  Fran

 3.      How long have you been a member of MM?

 Since 19 December 2004

 4.      How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

 Usually once a day.

 5.      What do you enjoy most about MM?

 Friendly atmosphere.

 6.      What do you like least about MM?

 Preoccupation with awards and levels.

 7.      Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

 Yes.

 8.      Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

 No.

 9.      Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

 Redesign the board to make it easier to navigate.

 10.      As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

 No.

 11.      Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after
active posting?

 No.

 12.      Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

 Yes.

 13.      When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

 No.

 14.      When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

 No.
Cleo_Serapis
Hello all!  rainbow.gif

This is Nina's reply below.
Thanks so much for your feedback Nina!
~Cleo  Pharoah.gif



1. How did you find out about MM?

I was a member at BBC Get Writing and through there got to know James and Fran.  James recommended this site to me. (thank you James)

2. What persuaded you to join?

I wasn’t getting much constructive feedback at BBCGW and I didn’t like the way posts disappeared so quickly because of the amount that was posted each day.  MM seemed much more professional though a little daunting at first for a relative newbie to poetry and a complete novice at critting.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?
                 
5 months

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

Several times! a day

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?

the warm friendly camaraderie, intellectual stimulation.  It is  my second home    

6. What do you like least about MM?

Names of forums that I can never remember or spell

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

When I joined I found the staff very friendly and welcoming

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

as I have become more familiar with the board it has become a lot easier.  The forum jump is very useful as is the latest posts

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?
It probably isn’t possible, but a post start date on latest posts would be helpful

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

yes, when I first joined

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

when I first registered.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

the crits are always constructive and positive and given in a thoughtful considerate manner

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

Fortunately I have never had another member posting a poem in my tile.   A couple of lines wouldn’t bother me but if it was a whole poem then I wouldn’t be very happy.  Their poem couldn’t help me to improve my own and other members might start commenting on their poem instead of mine.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

so long as I have received a fair crit from those members and if I am personally involved in the unrelated discussion then I have no problem, otherwise the discussion is best carried out elsewhere.

15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?

I am very happy with the MM the way it is at present.  Lori, you work very hard to keep the energy going with new ideas and challenges and it is greatly appreciated. Thank you!




Cleo_Serapis
Hi all. grinning.gif

The following is the responses from AMETHYST.
Thanks Liz! Much appreciated!
~Cleo  sun.gif

1. How did you find out about MM?


I was honored to be a part of the first tiles and to watch the boulders and design
come to life! wink.gif


2. What persuaded you to join?

The famililarity and knowledge of Lori's ability to create, to critique and to inspire, which is what I want out of a poetry forum.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?

From the first idea of it.

4. How often do you log on MM?

I try to log on at least once a day, sometimes when life is getting in my way, I cannot get the time to log on for days or weeks at a time, then I try to catch up. Although, sometimes...with some of my health issues, I find there is too much going on at once and I become confused, or overwhelmed and most often I log in daily to check the same forums, which are mostly the R&M critique, the FreeForm Critique and administration when necessary.

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?

The friendly atmostphere, the Pandora Challenge and the feedback which helps to improve my work. I also feel the variety of poetry/prose is wonderful to fit each person individually.

6. What do you like least about MM?

Too much going on at one time, with too many places to get lost in. But that is easily rectified by knowing which forums I want to participate most and that fits my personal enjoyment of critiquing, reading and posting my own work for improvement.

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful?

I can answer this as if I was not on the staffing, because many times and for a long time...I often held the active role of posting infrequently and rarely took an active part in adminstative incidents. However, I have found each of the staff members (especially those that have held the position for a long while) to be welcoming and easy to speak to.

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate?

By navigate, if you are asking finding your way around and/or knowing your way around. No... for me, there is a lot of places, that lead to a lot of places that has yet more places with names I cannot remember sometimes (this is probably due to my health issues..)

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

Not sure... The poets area has just the right amount of things going on without it become overwhelming. I like that. It is easy to keep up with what is going on there. Not sure what suggestions I would offer.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and Forum Participation Rules) of MM?

Yes, When they were first posted I read throught them thoroughly and over the past few years, when there had been slight changes or additions I skimmed through them and reread the edits.

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

Both.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive?

Sometimes, but not always. Sometimes the feedback is not as intense and/or as indepth as I am looking for. But the feedback I do receive is always excellent suggestions and ideas on how I can improve. So although there are times I look for more intensity and receive moderate to mild critique, what is offered is always helpful.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand, if another member posts their own poetry in your tile?

It offends me if a member posts a poem of their own, instead of offering my critique and discussion about the poem, or when the member posts a poem of their own within their discussion losing the effectiveness of their suggestions and feedback and taken conversation away from the focus of the poem at hand. However, I don't mind a friendly poetic comment when there is the main focus of their post in my tile is critique and feedback to improve that tiles poem, and they sign off with a poetic greeting to say catch you later. I never felt it a positive thing when others posted whole poems of their own in someone else's tile...UNLESS the poem came up in discussion about device or other helpful suggestions to improve the posted poem and to show an example. Even then, it should be invited. However, mild small talk within a full critique of a poem doesn't bother me at all.

14. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem or story, if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

The key word here is UNRELATED. Many times I've seen a conversation that in NO way helps the posting member to better their poem, but the conversation goes into a debate and goes into a full all out discussion and other members come into the thread/tile and never actually critique or comment on the poem, because their focus is taken away from the poem and into the new/primary discussion. I don't mind conversation when it is still on or about the poems improvement and it teaches and includes the worth of the poem. It bothers me a great deal when the conversation begins on subject that is about the process of the poem/story and to help discuss what would benefit it, and then, all further conversations there after tend to lose all the focus of the poem/storys critique. I don't mind if a conversation or debate is specifically about the poem at hand. When a great debate or discussion is started, I am all for taking and creating a thread/tile in a learning forum to discuss at great lengths. This is where we learn, this is where it would be a benefit for all to get involved and learn from. If it is lost in someone poem tile, how can other members read through the discussion and learn from it or gain their own perspective and opinion or join in.

15. Do you have any other comments?

I have seen and participated in many other forums in many places on line and I find that MM offers such a grand variety of interests that fit a variety of personal perferences. I think that opens the membership to a broader audience and the atmostphere is both friendly and inviting which makes it always feel like home.




Toumai
1. How did you find out about MM?

From James (on BBC Get Writing)

2. What persuaded you to join?

The quality of the poetry and critiques, and the warm atmosphere.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?

November, 2004 (6 months)

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

I am active here almost every day, several times a day - would take a great deal to keep me away.

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?

The friendly energy from all the members: it is a warm, welcoming site.
Not knowing what I'll find when I log in (but knowing it will be fun).
Reading others' work. I enjoy this even when I struggle to comprehend, or it is very different to my own (perhaps especially then).
Receiving comments on my own work which may help me improve or reveal things I hadn't noticed.
Learning. For example, my punctuation has improved a great deal since I started using the web and I am beginning to learn a little more about poetry.

6. What do you like least about MM?

Trying to find something in the archives (not too bad in poetry, but if in discussion or something can take ages).

I feel a bit awkward about the chap books and publishing, cos I'm really not interested in that side of things - I've only just started writing, and paper publication is the last thing on my mind (except my novel)

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

When I arrived everyone was extremely helpful and welcoming. I hope we all are.

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

The first time I visited MM I turned tail. James talked me in to having another go. The board has so much information - so much explanatory text - along with the quirky name designations that it is rather overwhelming to a newbie. The information does need to be available, but having too much up front is a bit intimidating.

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

Simplify the information up front.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

Yes.

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

When registering.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

The critiques are excellent.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

It has never happened to me. I think so long as the person had already critted properly and the perceived aim was friendly I'd not mind. I once did it to someone else - in homage - and I don't think they were pleased, so I wouldn't do it to anyone else.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

I enjoy the exchanges that arise and as long as the people involved have critted properly, and as long as they keep the discussion constructive and friendly I don't have a problem with banter.

15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?

MM is a wonderful site. Lori and Peter have set up and maintained a fantastic, friendly place and I love the diversity of ideas and expression flourishing here.

As it grows, please keep the fundamental site simple, though.

Fran
Cleo_Serapis
Thanks Fran for your valuable feedback!  :pharoah2

Here are the reponses from Cybele...
Thanks Grace. Much appreciated!
~Cleo  :)


How did you find out about MM?

Personal invitation from you Lori.


What persuaded you to join?

I really enjoyed the whole concept of interacting with other writers.


How long have you been a member of MM?

Since August 2003


How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

Every day except when on holiday.


What do you enjoy most about MM?

The friendships I have made


What do you like least about MM?

Niggling arguments, although I understand that with membership increasing all the time there are bound to be clashes of personalities.


Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

Yes, I  have received nothing but courteous help.


Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

Not really, but then I am a bit of a duffer in that department Alan has recently pointed that I need only go to latest posts to keep up with things when I have been on holiday and lost track of where I was!!! I used to visit all the forums individually which took ages!!!


Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

I would like a buzzwords challenge on a weekly basis. Alan told me about this and I thought it sounded like a good stimulus. Not a competition as such, just something to which we could respond if we wished, something to spark off the imagination. Anyone could instigate this with a list of words, which might give Lori a break!


As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

Yes read them avidly when I joined


Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

As above


Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

On the whole they are very helpful. What I like to see is new members who at first,profess  nervousness at critiquing gradually getting the courage to speak their minds and thereby learning not only about other people’s work but appreciating their own understanding of these works. (Me included in that!)


When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

Yes, sometimes. But would like to state that on one occasion Alan wrote that he hadbeen inspired by a piece of mine and had written a piece of his own which he had posted in his own tile. I found this not only flattering but intriguing and went straight there to read the piece. (Which was great fun Alan) Cathy also wrote that she loved a line in one of my pieces, which had inspired her to write her own piece. This she also posted separately. I read it, responded and was very flattered.


When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

Yes.


Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?

Not at the moment but………




Cleo_Serapis
Here is another reply I received from one of our Gold members this morning.

Thanks for taking the time to respond!
~Cleo  Pharoah.gif

1. How did you find out about MM?

Through David & Grace

2. What persuaded you to join?

The interactive fashion in which MM functions. I liked meeting other poets & making friends from all over the world.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?

August 2004.

4.  How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

I used to log on daily because I enjoy MM immensely, but now I find that I take up too much of my time answering crits, thanking people, making crits, etc. etc. I don't know what the solution is, but I believe a lot of commentaries are unnecessarily included in the poetry forums, that have nothing much to do with members' work.

I balk at making my crit when I see that there are already over 30 answers to wade thru'. I try not to read them all, but one feels stupid if one hasn't understood something that the author has already explained beforehand.  Also, most of the replies are interchanges between a few people, which makes it sort of repetitious. Same names going back & forth, often just jocular stuff. So I prefer to "catch" a poem when it's just been posted, before it becomes a lengthy procedure to make a crit.


5.  What do you enjoy most about MM?

The friendly atmosphere, the attractive layout, the fact that there are forums for all tastes, the steady stream of new ideas to participate ! (Even tho' I can't participate as much as I'd like to...)

6. What do you like least about MM?

The fact that only a relatively small group of people are regulars in the forums, taking into account that MM has over 100 members. I feel the atmosphere is a bit clannish for this reason, but I don't know the answer to this problem.

I also feel that many of the awards and distinctions are totally undeserved. Far too few members cast their votes for the various challenges. Then the awards are displayed by the winners' signatures, in the forums, a custom I consider uncalled for and distracting. It's as if a smallish group of poets were slapping each other on the back all the time, congratulating themselves and others, for work that is mostly of average quality. No offense meant, just being realistic about myself & others. Only once in a while is an outstanding work posted. We should be more modest, find other ways to motivate and/or encourage each other.  


7.  Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

Yes, very friendly and helpful.

8.  Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

The board is not easy to navigate at first. One learns, but even so I miss out on many events or notices because new forums seem to spring up without warning. I generally discover them on my own, i.e., the bios, the flash forum and others I can't recall now.

9.  Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

Limit the replies to the poems. Don't give awards for number of replies received. Half of them are irrelevant.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

Yes.

11.  Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

I think I read some before registering, then I continued learning the rules as I went along.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

The crits are very good, nearly always. It's the numerous replies and "thank you's" and other chatting that gets in the way and is time-consuming.

13.  When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

I don't think that's happened to me. Some members have posted famous writers' poems, as examples, which have been helpful & educational. Quotations, mostly.

14.  When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

Yes. I don't mind some debating, or friendly comments, jokes, etc., but all this tends to make the actual critting & posting very time consuming, as I've said before. Scrolling down all the replies requires too much dedication to MM, at least for me.

15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?

I think I've already said everything "up there"... I would add this, however, although it's not very helpful: The 3.2.1. rules in the forums are what, I believe, keep more people away. From participating, that is. These rules seem entirely justified, nevertheless, but have the unfortunate effect of making it "hard work" to keep up the good intentions & enthusiasm one had on registering. One gets burnout after a few months... I can't imagine how the moderators can keep pace with it all, my congratulations to every one of you !!




1. How did you find out about MM?
- - Aphrodite invidited me !
2. What persuaded you to join?
- - Was looking for a good new poetry forum after being thrown off VN for daring to put “Boobies” in a poem - apparently this would not impress visiting professors !
3. How long have you been a member of MM?
- - Aug 03
4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?
20 times a day ? Is continuously open when I’m home, check in frequently.
5. What do you enjoy most about MM?
- - family feeling and friendliness - kindred souls and banter. Oh, and the chance to post my poems and crit others who sometimes seem to appreciate it, and grow as poets.
6. What do you like least about MM?
Shambalan Shambles of Forum Names - I have no knowledge of all this antiquity.
7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.
Yes
8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?
I manage, esp since “latest posts” is up
9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?
I would tend to agree that awarding for number of posts/reads is odd. Means the best poems with least back-and-forth go unrewarded
10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?
Probably, can’t remember.
11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?
?
12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.
Yes, excellent
13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?
If it is relevant, it is OK with me.
14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?
I’m one of the worst offenders, I love it. It can be a minor irritant, but is also one of our great strengths - sparking each other’s ideas. To put a cap on that would I think lose us something vital
   15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?
I’ve seen where others say that our chat etc seems too clubby. It IS, but as it is not exclusive or excluding, anyone can join, they just need to realise that. I mean, we’ve really only just acquired Fran and Nina, as examples, yet they are very much part of what others see as our non-existent “inner clique” !

Love
Alan
Ephiny
1. How did you find out about MM?
I had joined a board called Thoughtcafe, wasn't awfully happy with it and it was about to close and one day, someone mentioned this place so I popped in to visit and got hooked!
2. What persuaded you to join?
It seemed such a friendly place and the feedback looked so in-depth.  People made a real effort to read a piece of work, understand it and reply with both comments on their own thoughts about it and very helpful advice in accordance with what the writer was aiming to get across.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?
Since November 2003

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?
Somedays, quite a few times.  I work strange hours and sometimes don't get here for a few days at a time..I also don't always have access to a computer, but I come whenever I can

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?
The brilliant pieces of writing that I read everyday, getting to know so many people, the friendliness of the place, the excellent feedback I've been given and everything that I've learned and continue to learn from it, reading the pieces of work here and enjoying that so much

6. What do you like least about MM?
So much going on, it's hard to keep up sometimes but that's not a bad thing! I feel bad sometimes that I don't get a chance to read and respond more, especially in the short story forums.  When I posted there, I was disappointed not to receive more feedback but I understand it as well..because I only read and reply there when I have plenty of time to do it properly and that doesn't often happen.  I'd like to aim to spend more time there because the stories are excellent.  Also I worry sometimes that I am not very good at critiquing..I try to explain my immediate thoughts and impressions when I've read the piece but I feel I'm not always very helpful

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.
They are all terrific, friendly, helpful, informative and very supportive

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?
When I first joined, I felt I'd never get the hang of it and it took a while but yes, it's fine now!!

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?
None that I can think of at the moment..I am so glad to have found here and feel I've learned so much from everyone I've met..both from reading and from the feedback and advice I've received

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?
I read them sometime around the time I joined

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?
I think, before I posted for the first time

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.
They are, very much so.  Sometimes they contain advice and suggestions, and sometimes, comments and thoughts on the piece, either way, it is great is read critiques and really helps to make decisions regarding the piece of writing..they're always very encouraging.  

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?
It's never happened to me..I suppose it would be better for both parties to have their work in separate tiles..if it was a quote from a poem in order to clarify or say something relevant to mine, it wouldn't be a problem at all.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?
Again, this hasn't happened.  One thing I really enjoy about here is the fact that everyone is so friendly, that you can talk and chat to each other.  I like the banter and feeling that everyone is a friend.  Any discussions I've seen have usually been related to a piece of writing, and if this happened in my case, I'd probably be quite happy to see that my piece had sparked so many thoughts and perhaps, questions.  However, if it was an in-depth discussion, it would be better to be moved to the discussions forum.  I can see that it would be wrong for discussions to take away from actual replies and critiques to a piece of writing.

15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?
None that I can think of..there are so many different things going on in MM, there's really a chance for anyone who comes here to find something to interest them and to participate in.  I have some slight concerns about awards for amounts of replies to a piece..just in case it would cause anyone to feel bad about their writing if they haven't had as many replies, but probably not though..in general, I love the challenges..they really get me thinking, they're great fun and really add to the friendly atmosphere.  Lori, and MM staff, you've done and are doing a fantastic job!!!!!! rainbow.gif
Cleo_Serapis
Thanks Alan and Lucie for your responses.

I've two more to post in later this evening already as well when I return home from work in about 11 hours....

Cheers all!
~Cleo sun.gif




Cleo_Serapis
Hello all!  :wave:

The following are jgdittier's responses.
Thanks Ron for taking the time to complete our survey.
Cheers!
~Cleo  :sun:



1. How did you find out about MM?  
Not sure. Probably thru Carrie Ann

2. What persuaded you to join?
Site’s personality

3. How long have you been a member of MM?
About a year

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?
Twice daily

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?
Careful management

6. What do you like least about MM?
Three day wait, General disinterest in cadence by so-called writers of R&M.

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.
Yes

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?
Yes

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?
Explanation by each poster as to his style of poetry and what he wants emphasized in critiques.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?
Yes

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?
Before joining

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.
Some are. Some could be written without reading the piece reviewed.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?
Not at all, I think of it as a compliment.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?
No

15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?
I suspect the reason so many budding poets drop out so soon is critiquing and that being due to excessive nit-picking and simple gushing.

Posters who really don’t want to critique or comment I doubt provide much satisfaction to writers. I believe those who choose not to comment soon will get no comments, so rules requiring comments do more harm than good.
 
Critiquers should remember their mission is to help the writer improve, not correct a piece with their red pencil. Pointing out a weakness and allowing its writer to revise it may bring far more satisfaction than writing poetry by committee.(It’s true, I’ve done it too!)
     
Cheers,     Ron
Cleo_Serapis
Hello again.  :rainbow:

The following responses are from JLY.
Thanks John for taking the time to complete our survey!
Cheers!
~Cleo  :lovie:

Dear Lori:

1. How did you find out about MM? and 2. What persuaded you to join?

Larry "Zeus" Carr pointed me in the direction of M. M. and he suggested that I join him.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?

I joined on 10/31/03

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

I log on at least a half dozen times a day; most of the time I am in and out very quickly, but sometimes I will hang out there for awhile.


5. What do you enjoy most about MM?

I thoroughly enjoy everyone's positive outlook and team spirit. This is the first place that I can truly say that everyone wants you to improve your craft; there are no jealous remarks; sniping; or caustic comments.

6. What do you like least about MM?

I find M. M. to be a bit overwhelming...too many things going on at one time. My interests are little narrower than others and therefore I don't take full advantage of everything M. M. has to offer.

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

The staff is the best feature...always accessible and willing to help.

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

The board is difficult too navigate for me…. but I think it's just me.

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

I would like to see more challenges revolving around "snippets and phrases" and less about the metaphysical aspects of some photographic image. I find it to be more of a challenge if you are required to utilize x-amount of words and phrases to create your response.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

I read the rules when I first joined; have not gone back to them.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

I find the critiques to be one of the best features.  I have never resented any that were given to me and for the most part, found many of them to be a positive improvement.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

See #14 below


14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

I prefer that everyone focus on the matter at hand.  I don't mind
someone's attempt to re-write my work if it is done without losing the original intent of the work.

If someone is going to comment on my work, I prefer that they focus their efforts on assisting me and not get distracted in side discussions.


15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?

I have been a member of a few Poetry Groups and M. M. by far has been the most positive and friendly place. I have developed some friendships here and have found everyone to be interested in self-improvement as well as offering to assist their peers with no expectations in return.

JLY
Cleo_Serapis
Hello!

The following is from our Zeus - the Zman.  :grinning:
Thanks Larry for your responses and taking the time to complete.
Cheers!
~Cleo  :pharoah2

1. How did you find out about MM?
Helped Lori a teeny bit during establishing site


2. What persuaded you to join?
Invitation from Lori


3. How long have you been a member of MM?
Beginning


4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?
Several times a day


5. What do you enjoy most about MM?
interplay between members within the forums


6. What do you like least about MM?
lots of forums to go thru


7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.
Very


8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?
reconfigure the site map, be more explicit


9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?
It's a work in progress

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?
Partly


11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?
same as above


12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.
very informative


13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?
only if a direct relationship to original


14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?
should be moved to another forum


15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?
From day one, there have been modifications, and more will come if needed.
Cleo_Serapis
Many thanks to those who've responded thus far! sun.gif

I've seen a few commonalities within the responses such as:
[*]Navigation changes (perhaps graphical alternate page(s)
[*]Wizard Awards - perhaps NOT for individual replies & reads? I could revamp it to be given only when the member titles change (and will need to adjust the numbers) - visit Laureate's Legion forum for details.
[*]Member Snippet challenges (in the Acropolis) Alan?
[*]Poems in crit threads - seems this one is on the fence (suggestions say ONLY IF pertinent to the tile being critiqued AND with a crit offered of course IF done so to ASSIST the writer's knowledge of the form).
[*]Off topic discussions in tiles - perhaps -  if pertinent to topic - AND NOT TOO in depth else - start new thread in Alexandria's Library....

So far, we've received 16 responses, or 14% of the membership.

PLEASE - this is a very important step to learning what YOU, our members DESIRE. This is your opportunity to tell us here - don't be silent! laugh.gif

Here's hoping MORE will respond as well....

Thanks in advance all! wolf.gif

~Cleo sings.gif




Merlin
13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?


This is what drove me away.
1. I have never yet used my writing as one-upmanship.  I posted what I felt was light-hearted (verse) banter in a thread, being motivated by the posting.  Mine was not a polished work meant to stand-alone or compete with the posting.  It was moved without consultation into its own thread, which it clearly was not intended as.  
2. While it may not be often, we do this regularly elsewhere.  Sometimes one posting will generate a thought like, “I wrote something similar some time ago – here’s mine.” Of course, the example should not be of a size to overtake the original – most people do have that much common sense.
3. It’s both an exercise in wit and skill when this happens.  A long while back, on Sonnet Central, somebody posted his résumé in sonnet form.  The replies took off with job offerings in sonnet form – a very humorous and fun thread enjoyed by all, the original poster, the participants, and the readers.  This sort of thing continues all the time.
4. If you wish to dictate to me how I am to reply, we are not meant for each other.  I shall not list my accomplishments, but I don’t feel I require lessons in how to post at this stage, thanks.
to-be-continued
I am so new to MM that I am not able to respond very much, BUT (ha, ha) I have found the site difficult to navigate.  If I were more experienced it would be much easier, but this is totally new to me.  Perhaps a "newbies" message board in very simple format "outside" what seems like tons of choices and words to read.  That way we newbies could ask our questions as they came up and get a quick response.  Somehow it would feel better to me than reading a summary of what things mean.  (I'm too slow on the uptake to remember things until I need to use them anyway.)  For example, if there were a quick "post a question" board in a prominent place, I'd right away quick go ask what "Quote" means on the upper right-hand side of each posting.  I have no idea!--some would say "haven't a clue"!  It's not that I couldn't write to Cleo who is just wonderful, but one needs to ask these things as they come up without getting lost.  (You see, I'd worry that I couldn't find my way back to what I'm writing in this post, or I'd delete it somehow and give up in frustration.  (Ain't it awful?)  Does "Enter your Post" mean "Send" (on left above "Clickable smilies")?  Does "Add Reply" mean "Send"?  I hope so because that is what I am going to click on when I'm done here!  

The staff is SO wonderful here!!  Except for their kindness I'd probably give up in frustration (not proud of myself for that).  

There seem to be too many words introducting the forums?!  My sense of it is of needing space, literally, as if I've fallen into a mass of information on how to do my taxes, or avoid the KGB, or a Who's Who in a foreign tongue!  My teeny, tiny brain needs space and room to look around.

I do love the playfulness of the site.  The child in me (I like children) loves to add the little smiles, balloons, etc.  Thanks for them!

I've checked out a few critique forums in my explorations and like what I read.  The comments see very supportive and there is a "family" feel to this place.  I even worry that I could not be as kind and polite (in general, not about the poetry which I have been touched by).  I have a little of the cowardly lionness in me so I'd probably never post a poem until I felt that I would not be rejected!  Isn't it funny how, once you put something out there, you begin to hear (and read) all comments as if they might carry a hint of unjust criticism?  Does this just happen to my overinflated ego?!

Well, I hope I've spelled all the words correctly in this because I have no idea how to do a spellcheck from here, i.e., "quick response".

Thanks for listening and keep on keeping on!

Now I can play..... :O  cool.gif  MusicBand.gif  Newbie.gif  Artist.gif  Fencing.gif  LOL.gif  :tweety:  sun.gif  dance.gif  wave.gif  wave.gif




Toumai
Hi 2BC   cheer.gif

I'm glad that you have stuck with MM (hey - hope you find you way back here so you get to read this reply, hehe! ) and the staff have helped.

The smileys are fun - adding a nice touch sometimes.  sings.gif  Guitar.gif

I even worry that I could not be as kind and polite (in general, not about the poetry which I have been touched by).

I don't think you'll have any trouble at all ... besides we all make mistakes from time to time - and everyone is pretty forgiving (says she, with relief  oops.gif ).

I have a little of the cowardly lionness in me so I'd probably never post a poem until I felt that I would not be rejected!  Isn't it funny how, once you put something out there, you begin to hear (and read) all comments as if they might carry a hint of unjust criticism?  Does this just happen to my overinflated ego?!

No way would ANY poem be 'rejected' by anyone here! All poems are precious to their writers! We have several beginners, albeit enthusiastic; people who have only been writing poetry for a short time. If you are nervous, just add a few lines with your poem explainign what kind of crit you would like ("gentle crit for newbie please," or similar). There are also several non-crit forums where we would simply come and enjoy. Personally (I've only been writing a few years, and poetry only attacked me last summer) I find it helpful to have critical feedback.

Good luck!  :pharoah2

Fran
Nina
Hi to-be-continued wave.gif

I know this board can seem a bit daunting at first, but you soon become familiar with it.  

If you want to reply to a post, there are two ways of doing so - either with quick post or by clicking on ADD REPLY which is what I use as there are more options available, including Spell Check Post.  

If you are worried about losing what you are going to post, then type it first in word and paste it into MM, then it doesn't matter if things go wrong, you have still got a copy.

If you click QUOTE on someone's post it will copy what they have written in a white box.

Take a deep breath and post one of your poems/stories, nothing here is ever rejected.  When I first joined in December 2004, I was very nervous about posting my work as I'd not written much and had very little experience of receiving crit (critique) and even less at offering  crit, but everyone was so helpful and considerate in showing me ways of polishing what I'd written that my confidence soon grew.

I look forward to seeing some of your work

Nina
Cleo_Serapis
QUOTE (Guest @ May 21 2005, 09:01)
13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?


This is what drove me away.
1. I have never yet used my writing as one-upmanship.  I posted what I felt was light-hearted (verse) banter in a thread, being motivated by the posting.  Mine was not a polished work meant to stand-alone or compete with the posting.  It was moved without consultation into its own thread, which it clearly was not intended as.  
2. While it may not be often, we do this regularly elsewhere.  Sometimes one posting will generate a thought like, “I wrote something similar some time ago – here’s mine.” Of course, the example should not be of a size to overtake the original – most people do have that much common sense.
3. It’s both an exercise in wit and skill when this happens.  A long while back, on Sonnet Central, somebody posted his résumé in sonnet form.  The replies took off with job offerings in sonnet form – a very humorous and fun thread enjoyed by all, the original poster, the participants, and the readers.  This sort of thing continues all the time.
4. If you wish to dictate to me how I am to reply, we are not meant for each other.  I shall not list my accomplishments, but I don’t feel I require lessons in how to post at this stage, thanks.

Thank you for your response to this one question Eric. One is better than none.

As I've mentioned previously, as the site owner and one who also belongs other forums myself, it is nearly impossible (being an optimist) to please all the members all the time. We strive to find a happy medium for all. While I may own this site, it is the interaction of our members that make it what it is, which ultimately becomes the driving force for me to make changes as we grow.

Yes, perhaps we erred when we made the decision to add the 'no poem responses in a crit thread' forum participation rule. However, having said that, it is one of the reasons for this survey. I find it valuable to learn what our members have said thus far. Most who have said 'yes' added it would most likely only bother them if the poem responses were not relevant to their own work or if the responses were not aimed to further teach the form (without over-taking the thread) or quote small passages from larger works.  This may be enough to re-visit the rule (nothing is ever set-in-stone here) and modify it. Having only about 14% respond is fair, I am hopeful that my personal goal to see a 25% response rate or more happens.

With regard to #1: I don't think anyone saw that particular post as 'one-upmanship? I know I did not. It was unfortunate that your reply was moved without consultation and I had personally responded to the mod who did it that same day. Most of my staff are newbies (as am I to the roles) and so we learn by experience, some good, some bad.

With regard to #2: "Of course, the example should not be of a size to overtake the original".  YES - that is what most of us think as well. The problem is determining what is OK, what borders the fence and what clearly is not OK. When we first adopted the rule addition, we did not want to decide between the three choices for sake of ease. Perhaps now we can move forward and made changes as I already mentioned?

With regard to #3: YES - I agree. It IS an exercise in wit and skill. However, it is also a decision of how much is 'too much' AND if the post does NOT OFFER a critique in the process. Some again rest on the fence, bordering one or the other or both. It certainly is a great motivator when your work(s) sparks motivation in another. Our goal still remains the same - to focus the efforts (of other readers to the thread) on the poem at hand. As long as the replies do that, I have no issues with making a change.

With regard to #4: As it is with everything in life, it boils down to PERCEPTION and RESPECT. We have never dictated how one must reply in a thread, all we ask is to follow the 1:3:2 rule, respect each other, teach and have fun. We have many levels of writers and must cater to all.

Thanks for your reply Merlin. We do hope you will post again with us.

~Cleo
Cleo_Serapis
Hello!  wave.gif

The following are the responses from Di-Die.
Thanks for taking the time to answer our survey. We appreciate your feedback Diana!

~Cleo  Pharoah.gif



1. How did you find out about MM?

From Fran Martel

2. What persuaded you to join?

It seemed an interesting site with friendly members when I visited it as a guest after Fran had been enthusing about it.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?

Since Feb 2005 - I was the 100 member!

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month,
what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

Initially I did not visit very often due to a very slow modem connection.  But we have now gone broadband so I would like to visit much more often maybe 3/4 times a week.

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?

The informal chatty nature of the threads. I hope to visit the crit forums more often now.

6. What do you like least about MM?

I'm not confident about critiquing others work so the 1.3.2 rule causes me problems.  Not that I think it needs changing - it is a good rule.  There are plenty of other things to get involved in which don't need crits.

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If  not, please explain why.

Yes, very.  I had a lovely welcome when I joined.

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

It was a little confusing when I first logged on - particularly with my slow connection.   Took a while to get used to the 'nesting' of tiles within threads within boards!

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

A Glossary of terms might be useful for beginners including 'board-speak' e.g. LOL and ROLF.  I didn't understand what people were on about at first.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

I've read the participation rules at the top of the page.

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

After registering, before posting.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

Those given to my only posting were gratefully received and positive.


13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it  interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

Not had any experience of this but feel that it would be intrusive unless for demonstration purposes.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

Again no experience, but it i feel that it would only interfere if it was a long heavy discussion completely off topic.


15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help
 us to improve MM)?

Not at the moment, wait till I've a bit more experience!




JustDaniel
1. How did you find out about MM?
Interaction with Lori from our interaction at another site.

2. What persuaded you to join?
Same as above.

3. How long have you been a member of MM?
From the beginning, originally as a Praetorian or whatever it's called, but I had to be away for some time surrounding my knee replacements and other matters and could not continue in that capacity, plus others had come to do the important responsibilities.

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?
At least a few times per week most of the time, but occasionally I have to be away because of other responsibilities.

5. What do you enjoy most about MM?
Stimulation, interaction with critiquing in the poetry forums and learning poetry in general.

6. What do you like least about MM?
So much going on that I can't participate and feel like an outsider because feel kind of left out with the 'in-talk' re goings-on at times.  Also difficulty finding things that are referred to, especially when someone casually refers to it without a link.  I honestly get lost trying to navigate. As some other friends have told me about the set-up: "too busy" [not referring to the activity].

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.
Generally, yes, very much.

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?
No, and I don't know what to suggest, honestly.

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?
Not at this time.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?
Of course... but I've also forgotten a few along the way and had to be reminded... for which I'm always thankful.


11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?
Both

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.
For the most part, yes.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?
Not at all, if it's illustrative, helpful, offering assistance, or part of a critique. [As you know, I've previously sometimes OFFERED a critique in poetic form just for fun -- for persons whom I know appreciate that.] If it's a poem that has been mused by the poem or is a poem that the subject poem reminds one of, it's better to offer a link to another place the poem may be posted, IMO.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?
When it becomes lengthy, yes. It's often prevented me from reading critiques of others' poems simply because it can't wade through the interesting but to me irrelevant matters so I can assist with a critique, since I'm a horribly slow reader.  It just frustrates me and has sometimes prevented me from posting a critique... but I know that's just me.

15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?
Personally, I think that the Wizard Awards and the "Congratulations" and "Thank you's" for them are extremely detracting from the boards.  Kinda makes me think the reading oughta be spread about to others.  [ I hope this issn't seen as sour grapes.  I've gotten a couple of them myself, and to me it was kind of a shoulder-shrug.  I hope that's not too harsh. It's just my opinion.

Blessings to all.  I enjoy interacting with everyone and just wish I could have more of it1

sLightly weary from carpentry, going up and down ladders and painting prep, Daniel  :sun:
Siren
1. How did you find out about MM?

From its creator, Lori ... :)

2. What persuaded you to join?

The search for a good poetic home where the members are kind and warm and the mods always helpful, not to mention the members too. :)

3. How long have you been a member of MM?

Since August 2003 ... One year nine months now.

4. How often do you log onto the board? If less than once per month, what can we do to encourage you to become more active?

It's the only poetry site I visit anymore. I do log on several times a day.


5. What do you enjoy most about MM?

It's where I can relax, share creativity and read exceptional work from others. But one other reason is the effort Lori keeps making in encouraging the members and mods to keep MM's Golden aura alive.

Your interaction is what gives MM its soul. I used to be a member in another site, sadly enough it became a ghost town mainly because its creator faded away from the scene. So keep up the good work Lori.

6. What do you like least about MM?

There's nothing I do not like.

7. Do you find the staff and other members friendly and helpful? If not, please explain why.

I personally love our mods. The members are awesome to interact with and well I have my own cyber family here. :)

8. Do you find the board easy to navigate? If not, what changes would you like to see?

I find no difficulty navigating.

9. Do you have any suggestions for improvements on MM?

At the moment, nothing comes to mind, but if I do I'll share my thoughts at a future date.

10. As an active member, have you at any time read the rules (Terms of Use and forum participation rules) of MM?

No, I haven't.

11. Had you read them before/while registering or sometime after active posting?

Not really.

12. Are the critiques given thoughtfully written, constructive and positive? If not, please explain why.

Oh yes... definitely.

13. When receiving critique and feedback in a poetry forum, does it interfere with your process of improvement for the poem at hand if another member posts their own poetry into your tile?

Yes ...it does.

14. When receiving critique and feedback, does it interfere with your process of improvement to your poem or story if others become involved in an unrelated discussion?

Yes... if a discussion blooms because of a poem's crit or topic then I think it should be moved to the discussion forums as long as it is done with respect to others thoughts and beliefs.


15. Do you have any other comments (especially any which would help us to improve MM)?

Not at the moment.



Dani
Cleo_Serapis
Thanks 2BC, Diana, Daniel and Daniah for your responses!

I've created a graphical index today for the forum board. It contains the six categories and an additional 5 'Most Popular' forum URL's. I've just finished it and added a note to the top of our forum board on all 14 skins.

What do you think?

~Cleo ???
Toumai
Erm ... Lori (or anyone with computer savy), I'm not quite awake this morning ... please (she whispers) could we have a link (hangs head, blushing).

Fran  Speechless.gif  turtle.gif
Nina
Hi Fran

There is a link at the top of the page, underneath control panel, new posts, latest posts buttons.

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Nina
Toumai
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(Thanks! )
Cybele


Good morning Everyone,

Having read through all the questionnaires, the question of 'clannishness' jumps out at me.

I think the answer to this is just a matter of TIME.

I, for one (and I suspect most people) tend to post first thing in the morning while we are fresh.

Bearing in mind that we, in Britain are a quarter of the way into the day before our American friends stir in the morning, we are going to receive replies from Britain first. By the time America comes online there might be quite a few replies already posted in our threads by others here who happen to be awake!

I can see that if say Lori, were to come on line at 9am American time the thread may already have received 7 or 8 replies and responses, which would indeed make it seem very 'clannish'.

The only answer I can see is for us to stagger the times of our postings throughout the day, or post in the evening! The staggering would  have to apply to all members of MM for this to make a difference.

The idea of a 'clan' is misconceived, since those so accused are the first to reply to  nearly every post!

Having read through this, I realise that I reply to posts, almost invariably by saying 'Good Morning!'

I hope this will be of some help. Speaking for myself, I wish only to read good poetry and prose, and interact with all my friends here on MM. We are very lucky to have such a site, so well managed by Lori and Peter. It would be such a shame if it became as bland and uninteresting as most other poetry sites on the net.

We have members who really care about helping and advising and I am always grateful for the crits I received from others. Sometimes they come up with points that make my work shine much brighter than my first efforts and find little errors that I have completely overlooked. Sometimes I prefer my original thoughts, but no matter what, I am always pleased to receive the feedback. I feel I have grown as a poet since joining MM in a way a could never have achieved without you all, and for this I thank you. I value all my friendships here and want to keep them.

I am sure we can resolve all those little niggles if we try.


Oh yes Lori, just one other thing. I find all the forum names VERY confusing, and have to keep thinking hard about where I have seen a posting I want to visit again. Could we perhaps, have some simpler titles? I realise your theme is Egyptology, but it's all Greek to me. LOL.gif




Nina
Hi Lori

As Grace has mentioned, a number of people have commented about the problem of some tiles already having lots of posts before they get there and it is too much to go through.  

One way to get round this is not to read the posts.  Just read the poem itself and crit straight away, pointing out that you are critting but haven't read any of the other crits.  I know James (Jox) often does this and I have done it when I came back from holiday, reading through comments after I had posted.  It can be quite helpful to receive a fresh crit like this, not influenced by anyone else's comments.

When I first joined MM, I couldn't work out what the Wizard Awards were awarded for, unlike all the other award and as some others have mentioned I am not sure that I see its merit as I have not yet fathomed why some poems should prove more popular than others.

As to forum, I am ok with the poetry and prose forums but I still have problems with finding things in the other forums and have only just discovered where the pandora challenges get moved to.

I echo what Grace says about the crits. This site is warm friendly and caring and the best crit site I have been on and this is a reflection of the wonderful way that Lori and Peter manage the board.

Nina




Cleo_Serapis
Thank you both Grace and Nina! angel.gif angel.gif

Yes - I also try NOT to read the other crits  when I enter a new tile so as not to be waylaid or guided to a another interpretation. Once I've posted my reply, then I'll go and read the other ones if time permits.

Yes - I will most likely do a POLL or something re: Wizard Awards - perhaps they will no longer be based on post interaction - only when the member titles change (as noted in the Laureate's Legion) forum?

I would re-define the number of awards though so they are not as high if this is a change all want...

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~Cleo :)
Psyche
Hi Grace, hi Lori, hi everyone !!  sun.gif   cheer.gif

Been too busy to participate much lately, my loss !! But i do put my thinking-cap on now & then, tho' the question is, when & how to express one's ideas...  :)

I too feel uncomfortable about the "clannishness" or "clubbyness" issue, it's difficult ground to tread without being misunderstood. As far as I'm concerned, Grace, it has nothing to do with the very welcome, thorough, educational & helpful crits. Even humourous, they fix one's day !! The sooner they come in, the better !! If the Brits get there first, that's fine with me, I'm learning all the time, living as I do in a Spanish speaking country. Thank you, ALL OF YOU WHO SPEAK ENGLISH, IN WHATEVER PART OF THE WORLD !!   :pharoah2  cloud9.gif

Personally, I feel "left out" or different, when ideas are expressed on various topics that are usually related to a poem, in one way or another. I like debates related to the poems, be they philosophical, political, social, or whatever. But fairly often I decide to "shut up" because I realise I'm definitely in a minority, probably because the world itself looks rather different from my place in the, er... cosmos...  grinning.gif

To give the most recent example, only because it's fresh in my mind, I finally had time to sit down and do Flash Session I, meaning to post it later, as Fran encouragingly suggested. But my "flash" effort turned out decidedly strange and, to me, out of place as compared to the rest. And this was due to some banter that went on (never mind what!!) that made me feel uncomfortable with my contribution, so I didn't post it.

I think I may have a problem with "fitting in", precisely because I live in a country that is sociologically distinct from the anglosaxon way of life, and a lot of my country's ideas, religion, politics, standards of living, fashions, you name it, are entirely opposite.

Anyway, it sounds like "my" problem, because I just tell myself to shut up when I see that my ideas are not shared by others.

I'll finish off by saying that I once felt like crying, when I read the commentaries about Princess Diana in some forum or other !! In my country, nearly everybody thinks she was the best value in the entire Royal Family, followed by Fergie !! This may sound daft to all of you, but that's the way it seems from abroad.
We had a great laugh, on the other hand, at the extraordinary hats worn at Charles' & Camilla's wedding....  :p  Shock  Speechless.gif , and frankly, are not interested in the R.F. anymore, except perhaps in the future of those two unfortunate boys, William & Harry, God bless them !

Well, I've written the above and gone off-topic purposely, because I don't think the timing of the crits has anything to do with the problem exposed. As far as I'm concerned, it's a sociological/cultural  barrier (metaphorically speaking, if you prefer...).

And it's still a basic fact that a small percentage of members participate, especially when voting. An award hardly seems worthy of mention (or wearing), when the author gets 3 votes instead of 2, as is often the case, and that out of a total of about 10 votes.

Hugs to all, I haven't written the above with the intention of starting a debate on C&C !! If anybody wants to, we can go to the discussions forum, right?
Sylvia  wave.gif dove.gif
Dear Sylvia,

"I think I may have a problem with "fitting in", precisely because I live in a country that is sociologically distinct from the anglosaxon way of life, and a lot of my country's ideas, religion, politics, standards of living, fashions, you name it, are entirely opposite. "

Well, I feel exactly the opposite - you give us a dimension that we would otherwise entirely lack, and your poems about the people and customs of your country add immesurably to my experience of MM.

Now for an interesting viewpoint : as a professional outsider anywhere I am, I feel at home everywhere ! Any reason you could not do the same ? I see it as just a point of view !

Love
Alan
Nina
Hi Sylvia

To give the most recent example, only because it's fresh in my mind, I finally had time to sit down and do Flash Session I, meaning to post it later, as Fran encouragingly suggested. But my "flash" effort turned out decidedly strange and, to me, out of place as compared to the rest. And this was due to some banter that went on (never mind what!! that made me feel uncomfortable with my contribution, so I didn't post it.
I am sad that you felt you couldn't post your contribution because of some banter that went on, obviously we need to be more sensitive in what we say.  Your discomfort is  MM's loss.  If at anytime you feel more comfortable about posting it, please, please do.

You bring a fresh viewpoint to MM and allow us a glimpse at life in your country that we'd never have any knowledge about without your poetry.  Part of the richness of MM is that people on here are from all over the world, different cultures, different religions and we learn a lot from this.

Anyway, it sounds like "my" problem, because I just tell myself to shut up when I see that my ideas are not shared by others Please don't shut up just because your ideas may not be shared by others.  They are just as valid and I hope that different ideas can be debated intelligently.

I shall pass on a debate about C & C thanks

Hugs

Nina
Psyche
Hi Alan !  :sun:

Well, amusingly enough, I think your answer confirms my theory.

YOU, Alan, feel perfectly at home, whether an outsider or not, anywhere !!
Which is just about the opposite of what I feel, and already said before. I guess not feeling an outsider anywhere is a great thing. It's about feeling self-confident, I suppose, about one's views on the world or even minor issues.
I have no claim to that, unfortunately my views change a great deal as history unfolds itself before my eyes....  :(    

But I can't be the judge of what you feel !!

Thanks, Alan, all the same, for your remarks,
hugs,
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Nina
Hi Sylvia, Alan

I am like you Sylvia and a lot of the time I feel like an outsider, not quite fitting in and as you say a lot of it is down to lack of self confidence.  Having said that, MM is one of the few places that I don't feel outside of, looking in, an unusual experience for me.

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Nina
Psyche
Hi Nina !

Thanks for answering so promptly and for your encouraging remarks.

No, I don't think you should curb your banter in any way, that's not what I was getting at. Better to know how people think, by means of all their modes of expression, than to have any sort of self-censorship going on. (I do, of course, subscribe to the idea of eliminating the Wizard award because, indeed, many of the replies are plain banter. That's part of the fun, I don't think anybody wants solemnity here...  :jester:  :grinning: , but it does add to the clutter when reading and/or critting.) I shall forthwith try to read the poems without wading thru' everything, if just for the sake of being able to participate. I'm one of the slow ones....  :(

Part of the richness of MM is that people on here are from all over the world, different cultures, different religions and we learn a lot from this.

I haven't seen many postings that are truly international, except from a very interesting writer from Borneo.
The rest are from English speaking countries & cultures, or from communities that speak English, maybe living abroad for reasons of work?

Still, we're writing in English, so what else can I expect?!  :jester:  :oops:

I believe it's too late to post my Flash, if I feel more comfortable with it now, haven't they been moved elsewhere?

Hugs and thanks again, Nina,
Sylvia dove.gif
Nina
Hi Sylvia

I haven't seen many postings that are truly international, except from a very interesting writer from Borneo.
Yes, Aggiel is from Borneo and there is also Dani (Siren) from Saudi Arabia.
I often forget that English is not your first language, you write so eloquently.

The flashes have been moved to Mosaic Scrolls (Archives)  click here so if you want you can still post.

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Nina
Cleo_Serapis
Hi Sylvia et al.   wave.gif

Well, after having typed a 15 minute reply and using the new graphical index just now, my entire thread was wiped  out when the forum I selected over-wrote this open-window!!!! Wall.gif Wall.gif Wall.gif

I often feel as though I'm an outsider looking in with a different skin many a time in my life. I think we all must feel that sometimes? As for inner circles, yes, that is also common at many boards too. I remember at the old Poem Kingdom, I always knew I would receive at least 6 or 7 replies whenever I posted a new topic because the 'regulars' were very reliable. They made that site enjoyable way back when. I think the same is true here too at MM.  We have about 20 regulars who post daily and then there are others who post weekly and monthly. While they may not post as often, they are still 'family' to us. So, I think the inner circle is perceived because it is in relation to how often and in how many forums one posts. If I only post in Hermes twice a month, and only do my required 2 replies for each post and none other elsewhere on the board, then I may not feel like I'm part of an inner clique (I hate that word but best way to state it).  It's not a fault at all, nor should the member feel any less like 'family', it's partly based on frequency of postings and forums.  A newbie can get to know all the regulars very quickly if they cross forums, like 2BC has in the past few days, first in the Site Info, then Poetry for crit, now in Pandora. This helps us welcome them in too more quickly and get to know them as well. GroupHug.gif

Yes, our international membership allows our European members first dibs on new posts generally as do our Australians. I often log in at 6 am EDT to discover new posts with 4 or 5 replies already done and say, "WOW!" Good for them! To me, the quicker my posts are read, the better (for improvement and interaction puroposes)...  cheer.gif

I also think we need to be sensitive to the topics we discuss like politics and religion for example. I alway panic when I see discussions which are very opinionated. We are a democratic site, however, we DO need to be cognizant of others and their own opinions too and make sure we are not imposing our beliefs in any way, shape or form. This is the hardest aspect of moderating. Our opinions vary, but we need to respect all and not come off offensive (as per our site rules) and human nature....

As for your flash, by all means, POST it for us to read.  detective.gif  Flash session 1 has been moved into the Mosaic Scrolls, but you can still post there.... no worries.

Lastly, as for the awards: It is an unfortunate event that all our POLLS receive an average of only 10 votes. The only way to change this would be to not do POLLS. rofl.gif Not a bad idea Sylvia and you and I have chatted about this before too!  StarWars1.gif  I find it rewarding to be recognized for writing efforts and this was my intent with ALL the awards here. They are not meant to mean 'I'm better than you' at all. The are solely for the benefit of recognition by the peers.

Perhaps as we discuss the Wizard Award (I had orignally had 2 ways to receive it, one for receiving (5) awards and the other for the 125 views, 25 replies in tiles format. Perhaps, we can eliminate the second? As for Pandora, maybe no more POLLING, but instead, when you've postin ed a set number of challenges, you receive the award, say 3 or4 (now that it's only once per month)? For COM and Members Choice - not sure how to get around the NOMS and POLLING? Mod Choice will stay the same as the staff polls for it monthly.

Good ideas Sylvia - I'm glad you've written them here.  sings.gif  What are yours (and others ) reactions to my continued question above please?

This is EXACLTY the feedback I was hoping to receive.

P.S. I've already designed and implemented the new graphical index, is it any more hepful?

Cheers!
~Cleo  :pharoah2




Nina
Hi Lori

Well, after having typed a 15 minute reply and using the new graphical index just now, my entire thread was wiped  out when the forum I selected over-wrote this open-window!!!!
that is so annoying, the same thing happened to me this afternoon, but I managed to get it back by using the back button on my browser.  At present, with the new graphic interface, you have it as opening in new window (or second window that is open) perhaps it might be better to have it open in the same window.  Just a thought.

Nina
Jox
Hi all,

Lori you keep asking for views. I have taken the view it is better to let the questionnaires come in before commentating. However, it has become too hard to stand back.

Sylvia, I like and respect you greatly but I think you and I disagree on almost everything you've said, I'm afraid. I’ll just answer your point about the House of Windsor.

Princess Diana  - I am her biggest critic - I loathed her. I was delighted when she was excluded from the Royal Family. I simply cannot tell you the damage I think she did to the UK political system - much of it, in my opinion, for her narrow personal ends. This is a system I must live under and to have the Head of State's position undermined by a young woman determined to seduce the media and indulge in showbiz really sickened me for years. Sarah Ferguson (who actually comes from the next village to me so I have no distance axe to grind) was almost as bad. Between them they undermined and demeaned the Monarchy. This is a monarchy which I would fight (in a civil or military sense) to support. Without it we'd become a republic and I think that would be very wrong.

I don't mind you likening her at all - your prerogative but I do not think anyone can simply take umbrage because they like someone. I don't generally attack showbiz characters because they are powerless. The Princess of Wales and the Duchess of York had great power. in my opinion they abused it and damaged my country. I shall never forgive either for that.

More generally, all...

As regards competitions etc; I think they are valuable and encouraging. One can have too many and I have recently urged a reduction myself but, in general, I think they have merit. If one does not wish to vote in them, one can abstain. In truth, many people can’ be bothered, rather than abstain for ethical reasons.

As regards Wizards I did urge a reduction in their influence and I was led to believe that this had been implemented until I was rudely told it had not a few weeks ago. I don’t understand Lori’s latest Wizard suggestion - why give a Wizard to signify another award - makes no sense to me, sorry. On balance, I would like to keep Wizards as I do think lots of attention deserves recognition. But I won’t argue this strongly as I’m aware I have benefited by many Wizards and I don’t wish to be seen as self-serving. But I do honestly feel they have much merit in the scheme of things.

As regards cliquey - I’m sorry but I’m running out of patience of wearing that hair shirt. I for one - and I know this goes equally for everyone else at MM have NEVER excluded anyone in any way. We all live where we live. Languages etc and topics differ. But if anyone has asked for clarification (as I did with the US Memorial Day recently - such has been available. I think people regard things as cliquey at MM only when they don’t join in as much as others do. They may not wish to nor have time to. That is fine but it is very unfair to brand others as cliquey because of it.

Well that is my steam vented, But I will say this - I don’t mind in the least anyone making their points. I am only deeply offended when others decide to take their offence at my comments to the point of believing I should not make them. Why should they? Art and politics are about subversion. Without that they are nothing. We’ll become so politically correct if we follow that route that MM would be a place where nothing was worth saying. I shall fight against that. Far better (for example) that Sylvia’s position on those young royals deeply offends me (as it does) that I ever deny her right to make them (as I would never do). It’s the old thing - I strongly disagree but would, for ever, defend people’s right to say things with which I strongly disagree.

Thanks, James.
Psyche
QUOTE (Nina @ May 22 2005, 18:59)
Hi Sylvia, Alan

I am like you Sylvia and a lot of the time I feel like an outsider, not quite fitting in and as you say a lot of it is down to lack of self confidence.  Having said that, MM is one of the few places that I don't feel outside of, looking in, an unusual experience for me.

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Nina

Thank you, Nina, for your kind comments.  sun.gif   sun.gif
Although I tend to feel like an outsider, which is probably a personal problem of my own, due to a number of reasons, still I believe I have always been very careful to post my comments in a polite fashion, non-combative and, hopefully, with a bit of sense of humor. That is the way most people at MM have taken them, and everything's OK with me, thanks again, Nina.

Thank you also, Lori, for accepting my recent commentaries with your usual friendly & balanced points of view. As far as I can tell, I have said nothing offensively, and have simply answered a few questions as honestly as possible. The examples I gave were, precisely, to explain why I keep my mouth shut, and I believe it worked out fine, as I inadvertently stressed my points quite succesfully. I have nothing more to add.  

Thank you, again, everybody, for being there !!  sun.gif  butterfly.gif dove.gif

I will not be saying anything else here, got a busy week ahead !  cheer.gif
But I do hope to post a poem or two now & then.

Hugs to all,
Sylvia  wave.gif  sun.gif
PS: Sorry, I was going to post my Flash Session I work tonight, but now I have decided against it. Another time, perhaps, but thanks so much for providing the link, Nina, that was indeed so very helpful of you, especiallty for us.... slowbies??!!! dove.gif
Toumai
Good morning, everyone

Sylvia, I am very sorry that the banter in the discussions regarding the flashes prevented you feeling able to post yours. I had worked very hard to get the wording of the actual flash and instructions as welcoming as possible. I would love to see it (I always enjoy your writing), so if you want to PM it to me and discuss it further I'd be delighted.

Alan pointed out to me recently that trying to control poets is like herding cats (you have a fun time, Lori! ). One person's freedom of speech is another's offensive harrangue. One person's investigation of power in politics or religion is another's undermining of deeply personal beliefs.

I think Alan also has a valid point when he says he feels like an outsider everywhere. So do I. Poets are reknowned for feeling alienated. It ought to be part of the job description. I very much doubt that any of us who write serious poetry are happily ensconsed in our own local or national environments enjoying TV reality dance shows and dreaming of winning the lottery (at least all the time). I will admit to having been a very accademic, lonely child - a square peg in a round hole at my school - and I am still minutely aware that I don't 'belong' now, though I can 'fit in' these days. The only difference now is that I am a better performer and I realise that many of us are in the same boat - I am no longer so alone.

As regards to Wizard Awards, I've kept quiet, but I do think that they are a little peculiar as a reward. However, just to warn you all - I actually find myself holding back on the banter sometimes because of the risk of incuring one, hehe!

Hugs to all,

Fran
Jox
Hi Sylvia,

I was intent on precisely making other points that I missed an important one myself.

I also hope that nothing puts you off posting. You have an absolute right (and duty I'd say) to post whatever you feel right. Banter should never put anyone off. I actually think banter is an important way of winding down a tile / competition - whatever. Banter is not meant to be excluding - it is actually meant to be inclusive of the whole group. I can see it might be a tad confusing for a newbie but not for established members like yourself. It is part of belonging to something; a slight hurdle for anyone new; I accept that but a great comfort for others and, providing that we make newcomers welcome - I always try to say "hello" on-line and send them a PM (though I must miss some) - I think banter is fine. I'm really puzzled that you feel excluded - I'm sure you and I have chatted to each other in similar ways on-line.

I am doing the next Flash on 28th (this coming Sat) so please do join in - sorry to sound patronising but - you are an excellent writer and I'm sure out flashed will be the better for your being there.

>F>However, just to warn you all - I actually find myself holding back on the banter sometimes because of the risk of incurring one, hehe!

Fran is that really so? In what tiles have you done that please? I think that absolutely terrible. I‘m really upset by that. I'm perfectly happy for you to campaign to abolish Wizards but not to hold back because of them. I'm minded to deluge your tiles with zillions of posts to compensate. C'mon now that is not in the spirit of things at all. No one should be put off posting - that is what I’m trying to say to all. We should be able to post about anything without looking over our shoulder all the time. Or were you just trying to be comforting?

As I said, I do think Wizards valuable. I don't think I really said why. It is this. We write to be read and to have people discuss, appreciate and take interest in our works (don't we?). Wizards are a recognition that such has been achieved. To me they are actually more important than competitions. When voting in comps there is seldom a clear and obvious winner - this is art, not sport. So competition seems a little unfair - but I fully support them as an encouragement and stimulus. However, Wizards do recognise reading and interest and debating about the work. That is the essence of writing. Put it like this: I'd prefer two thousand people read my work rather than I won X number of prestigious competitions but was read by fewer people. (Money aside, of course!) I write to be read. Crit forums are for help - nevertheless Wizards do show people are interested. Having said all that, again, I recognise I have "benefited" much from Wizards so I shall not fight too hard to keep them - but I think their demise would be a great shame; I would scrap competition awards first - and I'd prefer to keep those.

Hi Fran,

>F>Alan pointed out to me recently that trying to control poets is like herding cats (you have a fun time, Lori! ). One person's freedom of speech is another's offensive harangue. One person's investigation of power in politics or religion is another's undermining of deeply personal beliefs.

I think the following is agreeing with you and Alan!

Yes but the essential is that we’ll have repressive political correctness without being free to speak. I probably upset people with my views on the RC Church - and the British monarchy. But why should I not be equally able to be put out by poems which mention “God” as kind and wonderful or comments that the late Princess of Wales was good? No, these views must be able to be aired.

Because I don’t agree with them or other people don’t like my views, we have democracy and free speech; it is essential that we disagree. Without disagreement we have nothing worth using. People really should not take these things personally. If I say “You are stupid for thinking / believing that,” - I have made an unwarranted personal attack and the person would be entirely right to be offended. But I try always to attack things, philosophies, outside people etc. I actually have almost no beliefs - I don’t believe in beliefs, if one likes, so I tend to oppose others’ beliefs being imposed. To me such is simply an attempt at a political take-over. But why on Earth should people not praise God in a poem, in a discussion, in banter? I assume believers think enough of Him to speak up for Him? The fact that I could choose to find such beliefs offensive (as they offend my sense of human responsibility, justice etc) in no way means I would wish to gag such people. I shall argue against them but never seek to gag them. People should not be offended by debate - to be offended by such simply means, I think t, that they are insincere or insecure in their beliefs. I have not yet met a monk nor a priest nor a lay preacher (and I have met and debated with very many) who is in the least offended by my atheism. Why? because they are confident in their beliefs and they are, indeed, delighted to advance their points of view and hope to convince me. I would argue that deeply help beliefs without a willingness to argue are (as we have highlighted in the R101 debate) what is driving the World to World War III. People with deeply help beliefs have an important duty to debate, else such beliefs can endanger all the freedoms we have fought for. And art is usually one of the first things to be repressed by those who seek to gag for their own ends.

>F>I think Alan also has a valid point when he says he feels like an outsider everywhere. So do I. Poets are renowned for feeling alienated. It ought to be part of the job description.

I thought it was! And it is most writers, I think - not just poets.

>F> I very much doubt that any of us who write serious poetry are happily ensconced in our own local or national environments enjoying TV reality dance shows and dreaming of winning the lottery (at least all the time).

I loathe reality tv and would apologise to the USA again for this vile British invasion. Sorry. Really. Dreadful mind-killing stuff.

>F>I will admit to having been a very academic, lonely child - a square peg in a round hole at my school - and I am still minutely aware that I don't 'belong' now, though I can 'fit in' these days.

I have never thought that I belonged in the human race at all. I’m sure many would agree. I have always got on far better with dogs.

>F> I realise that many of us are in the same boat - I am no longer so alone.

That is how I feel and debate (between different views) and banter (which includes people) is, for me, the essence of writing and responding and the essence of everything intellectual that is important. MM has supported that and I’d loathe us to stamp one person’s / one group’s view of what is politically correct upon the being that is MM. Don’t seek to gag - oppose intelligently by argument and debate. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean you can’t convince me and, even if you can’t, I want to hear your views. Write a poem, a short story or comment that my work is intellectually incoherent and explain why. It is all helpful.

Thanks, J.
Dear Fran,

"a square peg in a round hole at my school" - snap !

I've found tho, that those holes wear down, and iin the end the square peg, somewhat rounded now, fits very well.

Love
Alan
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