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Cleo_Serapis
post Jan 16 05, 09:41
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RHYME - The "R" in R & M...

In the specific sense, a type of echoing (the repetition of particular sounds, syllables, words or lines in poetry)  which utilizes a correspondence of sound in the final accented vowels.

In a broader poetic sense, however, rhyme refers to a close similarity of sound as well as an exact correspondence; it includes the agreement of vowel sounds in assonance and the repetition of consonant sounds in consonance and alliteration. Usually, but not always, rhymes occur at the ends of lines.

Sidelight: Differences as well as identity in sound echoes between words contribute to the euphonic effect, stimulate intellectual appreciation, and serve to unify a poem. In addition, rhymes tend to heighten the significance of the words, provide a powerful mnemonic device, and complement the rhythmic quality of the lines.

Sidelight: Terms like near rhyme, half rhyme, and perfect rhyme function to distinguish between the types of rhyme without prejudicial intent and should not be interpreted as expressions of value.

Sidelight: Early examples of English poetry used alliterative verse instead of rhyme. The use of rhyme in the end words of verse originally arose to compensate for the sometimes unsatisfactory quality of rhythm within the lines; variations in the patterns of rhyme schemes then became functional in defining diverse stanza forms, such as, ottava rima, rhyme royal, terza rima, the Spenserian stanza, and others. Rhyme schemes are also significant factors in the definitions of whole poems, such as ballade, limerick, rondeau, sonnet, triolet, and villanelle.

METER or METRE - the "M" in R&M...

A measure of *rhythmic quantity;the organized succession of groups of syllables at basically regular intervals in a line of poetry, according to definite metrical patterns. In classic Greek and Latin versification, meter depended on the way long and short syllables were arranged to succeed one another, but in English the distinction is between accented and unaccented syllables. The unit of meter is the foot.

Metrical lines are named for the constituent foot and for the number of feet in the line: monometer (1), dimeter (2), trimeter (3), tetrameter (4), pentameter (5), hexameter (6), heptameter (7), and octameter (8); thus, a line containing five iambic feet, for example, would be called iambic pentameter. Rarely does a metrical line exceed six feet.
The metrical element of sound makes a valuable contribution to the mood and total effect of a poem.

Sidelight: In the composition of verse, poets sometimes make deviations from the systematic metrical patterns. This is often desirable because (1) variations will avoid the mechanical "te-dum, te-dum" monotony of a too-regular rhythm and (2) changes in the metrical pattern are an effective way to emphasize or reinforce meaning in the content. These variations are introduced by substituting different feet at places within a line. (Poets can also employ a caesura, use run-on lines and vary the degrees of accent by skillful word selection to modify the rhythmic pattern, a process called modulation. Accents heightened by semantic emphasis also provide diversity.) A proficient writer of poetry, therefore, is not a slave to the dictates of metrics, but neither should the poet stray so far from the meter as to lose the musical value or emotional potential of rhythmical repetition. Of course, in modern free verse, meter has become either irregular or non-existent.

Sidelight: Generally speaking, it is advisable for poets to delay the introduction of metrical variations until the ear of the reader has had time to become accustomed to the basic rhythmic pattern.

Sidelight: In music, the term, rubato, refers to rhythmic variations from the written score applied in the performance.

*Rhythmic - the regular or progressive pattern of recurrent accents in the flow of a poem as determined by the arses and theses of the metrical feet, i.e., the rise and fall of stress. The measure of rhythmic quantity is the meter.

Sidelight: A rhythmic pattern in which the accent falls on the final syllable of each foot, as in the iamb or anapest, is called a rising or ascending rhythm; a rhythmic pattern with the accent occurring on the first syllable of each foot, as in the dactyl or trochee, is a falling or descending rhythm.

FORM:

The arrangement or method used to convey the content, such as ballad, haiku, etc. In other words, the "way-it-is-said." A variably interpreted term, however, it sometimes applies to details within the composition of a text, but is probably used most often in reference to the structural characteristics of a work as it compares to (or differs from) established modes of conventionalized arrangements.

Sidelight: The form of a poem which follows a set pattern of rhyme scheme, stanza form, and refrain (if there is one), is called a fixed form, examples of which include: ballade, limerick, pantoum, rondeau, sestina, sonnet, triolet, and villanelle. Used in this sense, form is closely related to genre.

Sidelight: While familiarity and practice with established forms is essential to learning the craft, a poet needn't be slavishly bound by them; a great poet masters techniques, experiments, and extends his or her imaginative creativity to new boundaries.



The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.  2000.
 
METER1
 
SYLLABICATION: meˇter
PRONUNCIATION:   mtr
NOUN: 1a. The measured arrangement of words in poetry, as by accentual rhythm, syllabic quantity, or the number of syllables in a line. b. A particular arrangement of words in poetry, such as iambic pentameter, determined by the kind and number of metrical units in a line. c. The rhythmic pattern of a stanza, determined by the kind and number of lines. 2. Music a. Division into measures or bars. b. A specific rhythm determined by the number of beats and the time value assigned to each note in a measure.  

The American HeritageŽ Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.  2000.
 
PERFECT RHYME
 
NOUN: 1. Rhyme in which the final accented vowel and all succeeding consonants or syllables are identical, while the preceding consonants are different, for example, great, late; rider, beside her; dutiful, unbeautiful. Also called full rhyme, true rhyme. 2. Rime riche.


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post Jan 17 05, 18:50
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Hi Lori,

This is a good article Lori I've taken a copy. :)  It suppliments the changes made to the poetry forums in MM. MM has some very good poets who are adept to poetic form structures and rhyme and metre, yourself included. Then there is Alan who is a specialist in grammar, form and metre. As you are aware Shadow Poetry site has an excellent section that explains all  the various types of rhyme and metre asocciated with all the form styles. Maybe an idea to see if Marie would allow a link to Shadow to investigate. (Just a thought).

I think the separation of the top two poetry forums into ryhme and freeform, should achieve the outcome you desire; stop, the stop and start aspect that was evident In Socrates.

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post Jan 17 05, 19:28
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Hello Arnie the Fiiiiiinnnnnn!  troy.gif  troy.gif  troy.gif

Thanks so much for your encouraging words.  dance.gif

Change is something that is handled differently by each of us. I like change, as long as it is organized and seeks a better end to a problem.

I've learned so much at the company I work for about change management over the years and two items to note are (1) everyone adapts in time AND (2) as long as the path is laid out in an easy manner, everything should fall into place as the plan goes....

Well - it's much easier said than done but I do hope that anyone who has concerns or questions knows they can ask me or our staff.  sun.gif

I'm not one for secrets, cliques and the like and say it like it is - I hope others feel the same way. I'd love to see our site grow and attract even more writers and plan to offer challenges to both the novice and experiences writers.... in the friendly format you all know.

Anyway - I will talk to Marie - we both already share reciprocal links but perhaps your suggestion can work here?  Tigger.gif

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post Dec 23 05, 14:16
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I believe your site would be served well to have a SHORT FORMS critique forum... since they don't really fit either of your forums (even though you've included 'haiku' and such in your definition.  Short forms are a very different bird from the metered forms, and they draw very different 'watchers,' at least from my observation...

Short forms (often simply because they are short) don't get much significant critique here, at least as I have viewed.  It's why I've avoided posting any of mine here, and it's what I've been spending most of my time with of late.

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post Dec 23 05, 14:30
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Hi Daniel.  Snowflake.gif

I am always looking for suggestions and ideas for MM, thanks for posting this one!  cheer.gif

When we visited the idea of re-defining the 'Gentle Crit and Complex Crit' forums last January, we decided it would be in the best interest of our members not to differentiate the type of critiques given since most offer the same levels of crit in both forums (Homer's Homiles and Socrate's Synapse).

After much discussion, we opted to create two new forums (Herme's Homilies for fixed forms as well as R &M poems and Seren's Synapse for free form poems). That change has made it easier for those who prefer fixed forms over free forms and vice versa to post in the one they feel most comfortable in. This has resulted in crits becoming easier to give and receive in the forums they post in as well. We made certain (with a survey) that we also kept in view the amount of forums we offer since creating too many new forums might cause one to simply get lost visiting MM.  sun.gif

We have been using the R&M forum, Herme's Homilies for short forms (those defined already such as Haiku and Senyru for example) to this point in time. Are you speaking of these types of forms in your suggestion which I consider fixed forms?

Please elaborate so I can discuss with our staff and members.

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post Dec 23 05, 15:19
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I definitely agree with having less forums, and I concurred with your reducing to only one level of critique.  It certainly removes pressure.

And yes, I'm referring to haiku, senryu, tanka, lanturne, tetractys, diamante, and many more...

forms that are really BETWEEN R & M [ where metered rhythm is usually not possible, and rhyme is usually discouraged] and Free Verse in which the only 'rules' are nowhere agreed upon, so anything goes.  

If I were to post a haiku here, I doubt there would be any significant comment upon it, quite honestly, nor would there be for a lanturne or even a tanka... though perhaps there might be for a diamante.

Actually the persons who post to free verse are more likely to be interested in these 'forms,' methinks... but they don't really fit there, and the concepts necessary for helpful, meaningful critique of those forms necessitates some understanding of and interest in them, not likely to be there under either of the present two banners.

Anyhow, it's just a suggestion.  Maybe no one here is even interested that much in short forms... but I continue to be.

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post Dec 23 05, 15:25
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Hi Daniel.  Snowflake.gif

I actually think there IS an interest in short forms here at MM. writersblock.gif

Do you think adding a third poetry critique forum for these forms would create more interest in them? That would certainly be a good thing!  Reindeer.gif

Right now, some of us DO post Haiku and Senyru on occassion that I know of. Perhaps a POLL might be in order?

What do you think? WOuld it be a poll with these questions:
  • I would participate in a new critique forum specifically for short forms.
  • I would not particpate.
  • I would post these forms in Herme's Homilies.
  • I have no opinion.

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post Dec 23 05, 15:35
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QUOTE (JustDaniel @ Dec. 23 2005, 15:19)
If I were to post a haiku here, I doubt there would be any significant comment upon it, quite honestly, nor would there be for a lanturne or even a tanka... though perhaps there might be for a diamante.

Anyhow, it's just a suggestion.  Maybe no one here is even interested that much in short forms... but I continue to be.

You won't know unless/until you post some of these Daniel.   detective.gif

Nina posted a Haiku recently and received excellent feedback on her poem both in depth and in quantity. I believe her poem is even due for the Wizard award?   wizard2.gif

I know you would receive feedback - I'm not certain how you define 'significant' though? Do you mean the type of crit, the number of replies, both or something else?

It is a tad slow but steady with the holidays almost here. I am 4 weeks behind myself with commenting on posts but every post always receives feedback.  upside.gif  oops.gif  grinning.gif

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post Dec 23 05, 15:36
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Hi Daniel, Lori and everyone

Many of us post and crit in both forums already - and try (though often fail) to read everything that appears. The "latest posts" is wonderful in that all forums are shown and one can look at everything.

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Hi Daniel,

Good to see you back posting and commentating.

I may well have missed some of your short-form poems of late (I've not been posting nor critting much at all recently - like Lori, I've been very busy elsewhere).

So, apologies if I have missed several of your postings - but I've missed lots of everyone's of late, alas. However, as I recall before paperwork swamped you, you posted many short-forms in Karnak's. Now that's fine but it is a non-crit forum. Do you feel that posting in F/R&M crit forum has failed to bring in decent (quantity and / or quality) crits. Can you point to such poems (yours or others') so we can see them as examples, please?

Clearly, if a type of poem is receiving poor (in any way) crit that is something that needs addressing. But, maybe because I've not been around much of late, I hadn't noticed the problem. Thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention.

I, like Fran, use the "latest posts" access, across all forums to see what is happening. I will then crit anywhere and everywhere I can. I just need a time machine as well!

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Hi Lori, Daniel, James, Fran

As Lori mentioned, I received excellent crits on the Haiku I posted recently in Hermes and was very pleased with the quality and quantity.  Like James and Fran I always use latest posts and try to crit across all forums.  I don't always have time to spend looking at the non crit forums such as Karnak and am much less likely to comment on poems posted there.

I also think that MM has been fairly quiet this last week or so with everyone busy preparing for the holidays.  There seems to have been less critting and posting happening.

I don't see a problem posting short forms in Hermes.  What is very helpful is if the poster states what the form is in the title or subtitle.  The reader can then easily give a much more informed crit of the poem.


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post Dec 23 05, 18:12
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I think I may be sorry that I brought up this subject.  

My point is mainly that short forms are really a VERY DIFFERENT class of poetry

AND...

that critiquing them is a very different process.  I know that many think I'm blowing smoke when I refer to my reading difficulties, but it is a HUGE CHORE for me to wade through paragraph after paragraph of critiques with back and forth references to this stanza and that line and this phrase... which makes me have to go up and down and back and forth on the computer, and then post something cogent myself on three lengthy pieces of poetry, to then receive in return for it two lines of critique on a haiku.

The two or three lines may be all that is necessary, of course... but I'd love to offer three our four lines myself on two or three other persons' haikus in return.  Does that make sense?

That probably seems small potatoes for those of you who can digest and remember two or three paragraphs at a time, but it ISN'T for someone who has to type in three njumbers at a time, then look again, type three more, then look again to be sure I've transcribed a telephone number correctly -- and usually haven't!

Again, perhaps I shouldn't even have brought it up.  It's just something that I personally would like.  If no one else does, then that's fine, of course.

I certainly do not mean at all to be adversative.  Just my preference.

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Hi Daniel

Of course you should raise the matter and open up a discussion on the subject.

I see what you are saying and appreciate your difficulties in reading and critting.  

You have however raised another possible problem with creating a separate forum for short forms - would there be enough poems posted to make it viable?  You could easily run into the problem of posting your haiku and then having to wait quite a while for someone else to post a poem for you to crit in order to keep to the 1:2:2 rule of one poem every two days followed by two crits.  I have hit this problem quite a few times myself in Serens and have had to wait before I could post another poem.

The length of a poem bears no reflection to the number or length of crits.  James, if I remember rightly posted a very short poem that resulted in a lot of quite extensive crits yet I posted a four verse poem in Hermes this week which received fewer, shorter crits including one by you which none-the-less were much appreciated.

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post Dec 24 05, 04:32
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Hi Daniel,

Thanks for your reply.

I have great sympathy for your reading difficulties; I have taught many dyslexic students. You don't need to be apologetic in tone about it - most people are willing to help without patronising. It is a genuine handicap which many people have and I'm sure all on MM would wish to accommodate solutions to such difficulties.

However, I don't think the solution which you propose would really help - unless it encouraged much short-verse posting (and. if people are interested, surely they will be posting anyway?)

Why not try to promote more short-verse posting on MM? then you and the other short-verse posters (of which I may well be one) would be able to exchange cut-down crits, if you wished.

Also: why not choose the shorter poems to crit now and make a few short comments? That way many people will respond likewise - especially if you put "please offer short crits only, as it is easier for me to deal with" - or some such, below your poems. It means a change of crit style, maybe - between you and they but I don't see the advantage of a new forum?

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post Dec 30 05, 11:12
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I'd love to know where the short pieces ARE, so I COULD (and would) comment on them... but alas I don't have the time to search. :(

Thanks for allowing my feedback :p

... and note this comment from Fran in one of Cathy's haiku:

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Hi Cathy,

The trouble with a good haiku is it is a small pure thing of beauty that speaks for itself - thus making crit seem crass and redundant by comparison.


As I said, critique of the short forms is a very different activity.  I'd like to develop that activity with those who desire to pursue it... where those who do not desire so will simply not visit...

as I do not visit the prose venues.  I am sure that the prose venues are a hotbed of wonderful learning, but the cost in time is too high for me to venture there, so I simply do not.  I'm also sure that no one would consider removing that part of the site if most did not go there.  Few visit Karnak either, but it's a great place to visit to learn about various forms... in general.  I'd still like to see an additional forum [ as several sites have, who've recognized the validity of a separate nook ] for short forms.

But I'll still love y'all if you choose not to offer that.

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Hi Daniel. wave.gif

At this time, we do not want to open another forum specific to short forms, but as you may have noticed, I've added a few more words in our forum description here, so I hope that will help.

No one else has offered any commentary as of yet to the positive to do so  (being we have so many as is), but we are always open to new ideas as they are presented and all ideas are never closed for discussion.  detective.gif

As to your query, we are hopeful that when our members post here in Herme's, that they also include the particular form in their topic descriptions. This surely helps the rest of us when making a decision as to which pieces to critique before actually clicking into the threads.

As you'll note, Cathy, Liz, myself, Don, Eric and a few others who post in Herme's generally will post the specific form in our topic descriptions.  Skimming through the new posts page, I can see that Cathy's Winter Queen is short form (Trois-par-Huit), AMETHYST's Baby Steps (Huitain),  Cathy's Wolf Prints (Lira) still on page 1. Flipping over to page 2, I can see Nina's Passing (Haiku) and my Holiday Potpourri as well as Traditions without going into any thread...

Perhaps I can send a reminder to our members to please remember to put the type of form into the description field if you think a reminder would be helpful?

PLease let me know.

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post Dec 30 05, 13:21
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Hi Lori, Daniel

I think it a good idea to remind members to include the form used in the description.  I find it very helpful to know what form I am reading as I'm hopeless at recognising them especially sonnets.

I often have a look in Karnak's to check up on the rules for forms both for writing and critting, as I'm sure others do.  I find it extremely useful even though I rarely if ever post there.

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post Dec 30 05, 14:08
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Hi Nina, Daniel et al,

I also use Karnak almost every time I sit down to offer a critique in Herme's Homilies as I too, cannot always remember the particulars of each form and I find the descriptions there very useful.

I noticed that on occassion, some members will even post a brief description in their threads above their poems which is also very helpful too or they'll post a link to the thread in Karnak.

I have been working on a glossary for MM for a few months now (on and off) and I hope that will also be of use once it is complete and ready to publish here. I know I posted a thread (I think in teh FAQ forum) about it - I will find it and edit it back in here. Only A and B are complete but at least you can see what has been done so far.

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post Dec 30 05, 14:49
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Thank you... and yes, that is ALWAYS helpful.

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post Dec 31 05, 22:07
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Here is the link to the glossary of terms project I am working on as promised..


A and B are posted. You can start here:
http://www.mosaicmusings.net/Glossary.html

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Collaboration feeds innovation. In the spirit of workshopping, please revisit those threads you've critiqued to see if the author has incorporated your ideas, or requests further feedback from you. In addition, reciprocate with those who've responded to you in kind.

"I believe it is the act of remembrance, long after our bones have turned to dust, to be the true essence of an afterlife." ~ Lorraine M. Kanter

Nominate a poem for the InterBoard Poetry Competition by taking into careful consideration those poems you feel would best represent Mosaic Musings. For details, click into the IBPC nomination forum. Did that poem just captivate you? Nominate it for the Faery award today! If perfection of form allured your muse, propose the Crown Jewels award. For more information, click here!

"Worry looks around, Sorry looks back, Faith looks up." ~ Early detection can save your life.

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