The Circus Revision 3, unrhymed Mostly Iamb Pentameter... Options

[Judi]

Revision 4

A Circus tent can smell of mildew, which
most nine year olds don't care about at all
They're overcome by glamour and the glitz
of music, cotton candy, and three rings

packed very full of jugglers, dogs and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes as they swing
perilously back and forth... while doing
such amazing things. And hear the lion

roaring at his trainer who attempts
to fit her head into his mouth! I close
my eyes and pray this moment safely passes.
Then... not to be outdone, four elephants

are marching one by one; they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. My children
give them peanuts, giggling at the tickling
of their trunks upon their outstretched palms.

Some joy comes from surprising memories
of clowns in floppy hats and torn up shoes,
a squirting flower in their lapels; those endless
colored scarves they pull from flowing sleeves;
some gypsies reading crystal balls, a lion
roaring in the night, a tent, in spite
of overwhelming smell, has made us smile
and to hesitantly say "Good Night."



Judith Anne Labriola

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Revision 2
A Circus tent can smell of mildew, which
most nine year olds don't care about at all
They only see some glamour and the glitz,
of music, cotton candy, plus three rings

which have been filled with jugglers, clowns, and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes as they swing
so perilously back and forth, and do
amazing things. And look, there is a lion

roaring, with a trainer who attempts
to put his head into its mouth. I close
my eyes and pray this moment safely passed.
Then, not to be outdone, four elephants

are marching one by one; they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. My children
hold out peanuts for them, and they giggle;
as trunks go nuzzling into outstretched hands.

A clown struts by in floppy hat and torn
up shoes, a flower stuck in his lapel;
he squirts cold water, as he pulls an endless
scarf from somewhere up his wondrous sleeve.
Now that it's time to leave, I'm glad I came...
although there was an overwelming smell,
and I'm afraid the kids will send our faithful
"Brownie" through a hoop when we get home.

Some joy comes in suprising memories
of animals and clowns, some acrobats
that bend, a horse that's straddled by a lady
dressed in white, a lion's roar inside
his cage, a quiet tent that says, "Good night."[/center]


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Revision 1
A Circus tent can smell of mildew but
most nine year olds don't care about such things.
They only see some glamour and the glitz,
of music, cotton candy, plus three rings

which have been filled with jugglers, clowns, and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes as they swing
so perilously back and forth, and do
amazing things; and look, there is a lion

roaring, with a trainer who attempts
to put his head into its mouth. I close
my eyes and pray this moment's safely past.

Not to be outdone, four elephants
are marching one by one, they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. My children
hold out peanuts for them, and they giggle
as trunks nuzzle from their outstretched hands

A clown struts by in floppy hat and torn
up shoes, a flower stuck in his lapel,
he then squirts water, as he pulls an endless
scarf from somewhere up his sleeve. Too soon
it's time to leave, and I am glad I came,
although there was an overwelming smell,
and I'm afraid the kids will send our faithful
"Brownie" through a hoop when we get home.

Some joy comes in suprising memories
of animals and clowns, some acrobats
that bend, a horse that's straddled by a lady
dressed in white, a lions roar inside
his cage, a quiet tent that says good night.

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Original Version...
Circus tents can smell of mildew but
nine year olds don't care about such things.
They only see the glamour and the glitz,
the marching of the animals in rings

that have been filled with jugglers, clowns and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes, who then swing
perilously back and forth, and do
amazing things, and look, there is the lion

roaring, and the trainer who attempts
to put his head into its mouth. I close
my eyes and pray this moment's safely past.

Not to be outdone, the elephants
are marching one by one, they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. The children
hold out peanuts for them, then they giggle
as they're nuzzled from their outstretched hands

A clown struts by in floppy hat and torn
up shoes, a flower stuck in his lapel,
he then squirts water, as he pulls an endless
scarf from somewhere up his sleeve. It soon
is time to leave, and I am glad I went,

although the smell was overwhelming and
the kids are threatening to send our faithful
"Brownie" through a hoop when we get home,
our joy comes in suprising memories
of animals and clowns, the acrobats
that bend, a horse that's ridden by a lady
dressed in white, the lions roaring in
their cage, a quiet tent that says good night.





[center][/center]

[Merlin]

Hello Judi,

I saw so many hits, but no replies, which made me wonder, “Is it really rough?” However, I finished reading it through; although I let out a small cough, I began to plough.


It's a personal thing o'mine, to set the rhythm off in the beginning. While you state "mostly iamb pentameter", things begin trochee with "circus & mildew" both sending me in that direction. There's nuttin wrong with starting off with a trochee, but then the remainder should flow iambic, if that rhythm is desired. L2 again doesn't start iambic. That could easily be altered by minor rewording >>
A circus tent can smell of mildew, but
most nine year olds don't care about such things.

The next 2 lines contain 4 "the" plus an added "they" for those that like to lithp. Those things thet me off to find all the other thththththth's. Altho you've only use a dozen "the's", there are sufficient they, then, them, and those to make me want to byte my tongue.

Bon chance on revisions...

Merlin

[Merlin]

Good revision Judy, to be sure.
The bothersome words have been axed, and don't protrude as they seemed to before.

In V2, you might reconsider this little item that doesn't totally go down with me. I'm not sure if a comma will solve the situation, but at least it would break the connection >> clowns and girls in sleazy sequined costumes . Clowns are more recognizable for their patches, and should not be on equally footing with the sequined girls, but I can't give you a single syllable substitute (unless guys or boys, but there's gotta be better). I'm sure a little more thought will cure that part. Perhaps toss the clowns and just go with pretty little girls, tumbling, gymnast, etc. Or - toss the jugglers and go with patchquilt clowns and girls in sequins.

The world is one big circus.

Merlin


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[Judi]

Hello Judi,

I saw so many hits, but no replies, which made me wonder, “Is it really rough?” However, I finished reading it through; although I let out a small cough, I began to plough.


It's a personal thing o'mine, to set the rhythm off in the beginning. While you state "mostly iamb pentameter", things begin trochee with "circus & mildew" both sending me in that direction. There's nuttin wrong with starting off with a trochee, but then the remainder should flow iambic, if that rhythm is desired. L2 again doesn't start iambic. That could easily be altered by minor rewording >>
A circus tent can smell of mildew, but
most nine year olds don't care about such things.

The next 2 lines contain 4 "the" plus an added "they" for those that like to lithp. Those things thet me off to find all the other thththththth's. Altho you've only use a dozen "the's", there are sufficient they, then, them, and those to make me want to byte my tongue.

Bon chance on revisions...

Merlin

Thank you thank you thank you, LOL....Seriously, I need your tough crits...MORE please. judi

[Judi]

Good revision Judy, to be sure.
The bothersome words have been axed, and don't protrude as they seemed to before.

In V2, you might reconsider this little item that doesn't totally go down with me. I'm not sure if a comma will solve the situation, but at least it would break the connection >> clowns and girls in sleazy sequined costumes . Clowns are more recognizable for their patches, and should not be on equally footing with the sequined girls, but I can't give you a single syllable substitute (unless guys or boys, but there's gotta be better). I'm sure a little more thought will cure that part. Perhaps toss the clowns and just go with pretty little girls, tumbling, gymnast, etc. Or - toss the jugglers and go with patchquilt clowns and girls in sequins.

The world is one big circus.

Merlin


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I think I will stick with a comma for now...I think that can do it Merlin..I appreciate your help so much...If I can get rid of any more repeated sounds I will do that...Judi

[JustDaniel]

A very joyful visit to the zoo through the eyes of a mother of a nine-year old, Judi.

Some further un-sought thoughts, though not thorough... but enough, hopefully to cough up something to knead your dough, while not being too tough or too far out on the bough:

Revision 1...
A Circus tent can smell of mildew[,] but
most nine year olds don't care about such things.
They only see some glamour and the glitz,
of music, cotton candy, plus three great rings

which have been filled with jugglers, clowns, and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes as they swing
so perilously back and forth, and do
amazing things[.] ( ; ) And look[...] (,) there is a lion

roaring, with a trainer who attempts
to put his head into its mouth. I close
my eyes and pray this moment ('s) safely past.

Then, not to be outdone, four elephants
are come marching one by one[;] (,) they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. My children
hold out peanuts for them, and they giggle[;]
as trunks go nuzzling from their outstretched hands[.]

A clown struts by in floppy hat and torn
up shoes, a flower stuck in his lapel[;] (,)
he then squirts cold water, as he pulls an endless scarf
scarf from somewhere up his wondrous sleeve. Too soon
it's time to leave, and I am glad I came[...] (,)
although there was an overwelming smell,
and I'm afraid the kids will send our faithful
"Brownie" through a hoop when we get home.

Some joy comes in suprising memories
of animals and clowns, some acrobats
that bend, a horse that's straddled by a lady
dressed in white, a lion[']s roar inside
his cage, a quiet tent that says[, "]Good night["].

Soughing seeds Lightly, Daniel

[Guest_Don_*]

Hi Judi,

Glad to see Merlin and JustDaniel tossing hats into the ring.

You say it is rhymed, but I only see it in the beginning.

Since many circuses winter in Florida, I thought it natural that a Florida resident, you, would write about it.

Three ring circuses seem to becoming passé like corner ice cream outlets. People would rather remain comfortable in A/C.

I felt that your presentation of the events overcoming moldy smell and sleazy costumes to be matter of fact, especially in first stanza. Perhaps more pizzaz to offset the negative.
Example: The cannons' blast and flash redeemed its acrid smoke.

A very nice show.

Don

[Judi]

Hi Judi,

Glad to see Merlin and JustDaniel tossing hats into the ring.

You say it is rhymed, but I only see it in the beginning. I clearly have unrhymed..sorry if you were confused...remember "the Last Bus Home that also didn't rhyme and you told me I had to move it? Now I am really confused...sigh

Since many circuses winter in Florida, I thought it natural that a Florida resident, you, would write about it.

Three ring circuses seem to becoming passé like corner ice cream outlets. People would rather remain comfortable in A/C.

I felt that your presentation of the events overcoming moldy smell and sleazy costumes to be matter of fact, especially in first stanza. Perhaps more pizzaz to offset the negative.
Example: The cannons' blast and flash redeemed its acrid smoke.

A very nice show.

Don

Hi Don....Firstly, it clearly says UNRHYMED IP at the top...(I was told before to put anything that has a meter to post in this section..)

Now..what I was trying to show is that a parents viewpoint which started as a negative, ended up positive and happy. It sound as though you really didn't like it, and that's what I need to know too...thanks for being honest. Judi

PS..I always appreciate your time.

[Judi]

A very joyful visit to the zoo through the eyes of a mother of a nine-year old, Judi.

Some further un-sought thoughts, though not thorough... but enough, hopefully to cough up something to knead your dough, while not being too tough or too far out on the bough:

Revision 1...
A Circus tent can smell of mildew[,] but
most nine year olds don't care about such things.
They only see some glamour and the glitz,
of music, cotton candy, plus three great rings

which have been filled with jugglers, clowns, and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes as they swing
so perilously back and forth, and do
amazing things[.] ( ; ) And look[...] (,) there is a lion

roaring, with a trainer who attempts
to put his head into its mouth. I close
my eyes and pray this moment ('s) safely past.

Then, not to be outdone, four elephants
are come marching one by one[;] (,) they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. My children
hold out peanuts for them, and they giggle[;]
as trunks go nuzzling from their outstretched hands[.]

A clown struts by in floppy hat and torn
up shoes, a flower stuck in his lapel[;] (,)
he then squirts cold water, as he pulls an endless scarf
scarf from somewhere up his wondrous sleeve. Too soon
it's time to leave, and I am glad I came[...] (,)
although there was an overwelming smell,
and I'm afraid the kids will send our faithful
"Brownie" through a hoop when we get home.

Some joy comes in suprising memories
of animals and clowns, some acrobats
that bend, a horse that's straddled by a lady
dressed in white, a lion[']s roar inside
his cage, a quiet tent that says[, "]Good night["].

Soughing seeds Lightly, Daniel

Thanks so much, Daniel...There is one spot that your suggestion throws the meter off a little, but I will see if I can adjust for your change also. You and Merline have been so helpful and taken so much time ..I appreciate it a lot...hopefully this will turn out to be what I think it could be "with everyone's help" Judi

[Judi]

Good revision Judy, to be sure.
The bothersome words have been axed, and don't protrude as they seemed to before.

In V2, you might reconsider this little item that doesn't totally go down with me. I'm not sure if a comma will solve the situation, but at least it would break the connection >> clowns and girls in sleazy sequined costumes . Clowns are more recognizable for their patches, and should not be on equally footing with the sequined girls, but I can't give you a single syllable substitute (unless guys or boys, but there's gotta be better). I'm sure a little more thought will cure that part. Perhaps toss the clowns and just go with pretty little girls, tumbling, gymnast, etc. Or - toss the jugglers and go with patchquilt clowns and girls in sequins.

The world is one big circus.

Merlin

Hi Merlin, Again I took your advice and put a comma and I do think that separates it ok. Again, I appreciate anything you say, and what I have tried to do is point out the two POVs between adults and children, in circus's, carnivals, Disney movies...and how a parent can find some of the joy their children have in these things...like Christmas Morning with a 4 year old...we revisit childhood once again. I know this will go in my chapbook when I finally put one together...but it is more for me, I guess..just expressing how I felt, and came out smiling in the end. Hokay..done for now..judi


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[Judi]

A very joyful visit to the zoo through the eyes of a mother of a nine-year old, Judi.

Some further un-sought thoughts, though not thorough... but enough, hopefully to cough up something to knead your dough, while not being too tough or too far out on the bough:

Revision 1...
A Circus tent can smell of mildew[,] but
most nine year olds don't care about such things.
They only see some glamour and the glitz,
of music, cotton candy, plus three great rings

which have been filled with jugglers, clowns, and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes as they swing
so perilously back and forth, and do
amazing things[.] ( ; ) And look[...] (,) there is a lion

roaring, with a trainer who attempts
to put his head into its mouth. I close
my eyes and pray this moment ('s) safely past.

Then, not to be outdone, four elephants
are come marching one by one[;] (,) they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. My children
hold out peanuts for them, and they giggle[;]
as trunks go nuzzling from their outstretched hands[.]

A clown struts by in floppy hat and torn
up shoes, a flower stuck in his lapel[;] (,)
he then squirts cold water, as he pulls an endless scarf
scarf from somewhere up his wondrous sleeve. Too soon
it's time to leave, and I am glad I came[...] (,)
although there was an overwelming smell,
and I'm afraid the kids will send our faithful
"Brownie" through a hoop when we get home.

Some joy comes in suprising memories
of animals and clowns, some acrobats
that bend, a horse that's straddled by a lady
dressed in white, a lion[']s roar inside
his cage, a quiet tent that says[, "]Good night["].

Soughing seeds Lightly, Daniel

I love your suggestions, and as you see I took every one of them...I had to adjust one of them to fit the Ip meter, but used your words...THANKS SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR TIME. (((((Daniel))))) Judi

[Guest_Don_*]

Hi Judi,

Apologize for misreading unrhymed. Now the question is why rhymed lines in beginning section?

If I didn't like it I would say so. I think you have done better, but maybe Mozart is only artist that always produced "top shelf."

I guess, what threw a flag was the word "sleazy," Then I looked at the first stanza and thought it lacking in some manner that I fail to put a distinct fingerprint. I do want to mention that "...sleazy sequined..." is very good alliteration. But you knew all along.

Trust that you appreciate that we have sapped some of your humidity for our pleasure.

Don

[Judi]

Hi Judi,

Apologize for misreading unrhymed. Now the question is why rhymed lines in beginning section?

If I didn't like it I would say so. I think you have done better, but maybe Mozart is only artist that always produced "top shelf."



Thanks Don, but again I am confused...in a previous post you wrote this..

"I felt that your presentation of the events overcoming moldy smell and sleazy
costumes to be matter of fact,"
I guess, what threw a flag was the word "sleazy," Then I looked at the first stanza and thought it lacking in some manner that I fail to put a distinct fingerprint. I do want to mention that "...sleazy sequined..." is very good alliteration. But you knew all along.


I will try to see if I can add more to the beginning and still present the feeling I am trying to bring out...

Thanks for you thoughts...this is what guides one on how to present things in the future...it may be too late for this one...Judi




Trust that you appreciate that we have sapped some of your humidity for our pleasure.

Hmmmm. not sure what you meant by this...things are still the same in sunny Florida.

Don

I gladly accept your apology...I guess not all the poems a poet writes are "masterpieces" but words that touch a poet's heart...these words came from deep inside some of my treasured memories, and I can't expect that everyone will feel the same. Thanks again for the apology. As far as the first apparent rhymes in the beginning...lets just say that was a coincidence and blame it on an accidental rhyming alliteration...(a new term just invented by Judi) Have a good
day...Judi

I did change that wording...see my revision!
Hmmmmmmm....I changed the first two lines just to make you happy and it didn't change my meaning at all....Kudos to you also! Judi

[AMETHYST]

Hi Judi,

Sorry I've been busy off line and behind on critiques, but I couldn't wait until I got to this one - The images are strong, they take me there, and my own fragments of memories are stirred with associations to the senses ...

Some thoughts in stanza to follow. I hope something I leave helps, otherwise, I really enjoyed this and the wonder of it...

Hugs, Liz ...

Revision 2

A Circus tent can smell of mildew, which
most nine year olds don't care about at all
They only see some glamour and the glitz,
of music, cotton candy, plus three rings

First I wanted to comment on the wonderful sounds used. L1, smell/mildew - the 'ee' and 'll' in both words have such a lyrical partnership and mildew leds into 'which' with a smooth unity. I felt in L3, the word 'some' felt weak. I would rather it read ... They only see the glamour and the glitz, but perhaps ...
Their overwhelmed by glamour and the glitz ... Another small nit, remove the comma at end of L3. In L4, possibly change 'plus to 'and' ...


which have been filled with jugglers, clowns, and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes as they swing
so perilously back and forth, and do
amazing things. And look, there is a lion


S2L1, feels fillerish. Perhaps ...

where clownlike jugglers thrust about white pins
and girls in sleazy sequined costumes swing
so perilously ... back and forth, oh such
amazing feats performed. Look! There's a lion


roaring, with a trainer who attempts
to put his head into its mouth. I close
my eyes and pray this moment safely passed.
Then, not to be outdone, four elephants

Perhaps in L2, 'to shove his head into his mouth. I close


are marching one by one; they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. My children
hold out peanuts for them, and they giggle;
as trunks go nuzzling into outstretched hands.

Stanza 3, feels stumbly in meter.
perhaps ...
go marching by and trumpeting while doing tricks;
bowing their heads for the crowd. MY children
holding out a handful of nuts and laugh
as trunks go nuzzling in opened palms.

A clown struts by in floppy hat and torn
up shoes, a flower stuck in his lapel;
he squirts cold water, as he pulls an endless
scarf from somewhere up his wondrous sleeve.
Now that it's time to leave, I'm glad I came...
although there was an overwelming smell,
and I'm afraid the kids will send our faithful
"Brownie" through a hoop when we get home.


Some joy comes in suprising memories
of animals and clowns, some acrobats
that bend, a horse that's straddled by a lady
dressed in white, a lion's roar inside
his cage, a quiet tent that says, "Good night."

This may be only my opinion and please disregard, but I think much of these final stanzas are repeating what has already been drawn for the reader. Perhaps taking a few of the more expressive lines and allowing the final line to gain more intent. Example:

Much joy comes from surprising memories
of clowns in floppy hats and torn up shoes
strutting around, a squirting flower stuck
in his lapel; he pulls an endless scarf
from deep within his wonder sleeve; It's time
to leave ... and even though I'm glad I came ...
I'm glad to leave that rancid smell behind
the quiet of the tent now says 'Good-Bye"


Hope something helps... What a wonderful day this must have been. I cannot wait till I take Lauren to the Circus! :)


Hugs, Liz

[Judi]

Hi Judi,

Sorry I've been busy off line and behind on critiques, but I couldn't wait until I got to this one - The images are strong, they take me there, and my own fragments of memories are stirred with associations to the senses ...

Some thoughts in stanza to follow. I hope something I leave helps, otherwise, I really enjoyed this and the wonder of it...

Hugs, Liz ...

Revision 2

A Circus tent can smell of mildew, which
most nine year olds don't care about at all
They only see some glamour and the glitz,
of music, cotton candy, plus three rings

First I wanted to comment on the wonderful sounds used. L1, smell/mildew - the 'ee' and 'll' in both words have such a lyrical partnership and mildew leds into 'which' with a smooth unity. I felt in L3, the word 'some' felt weak. I would rather it read ... They only see the glamour and the glitz, but perhaps ...
Their overwhelmed by glamour and the glitz ... Another small nit, remove the comma at end of L3. In L4, possibly change 'plus to 'and' ...


which have been filled with jugglers, clowns, and girls
in sleazy sequined costumes as they swing
so perilously back and forth, and do
amazing things. And look, there is a lion


S2L1, feels fillerish. Perhaps ...

where clownlike jugglers thrust about white pins
and girls in sleazy sequined costumes swing
so perilously ... back and forth, oh such
amazing feats performed. Look! There's a lion


roaring, with a trainer who attempts
to put his head into its mouth. I close
my eyes and pray this moment safely passed.
Then, not to be outdone, four elephants

Perhaps in L2, 'to shove his head into his mouth. I close


are marching one by one; they're doing tricks
and even bowing for the crowd. My children
hold out peanuts for them, and they giggle;
as trunks go nuzzling into outstretched hands.

Stanza 3, feels stumbly in meter.
perhaps ...
go marching by and trumpeting while doing tricks;
bowing their heads for the crowd. MY children
holding out a handful of nuts and laugh
as trunks go nuzzling in opened palms.

A clown struts by in floppy hat and torn
up shoes, a flower stuck in his lapel;
he squirts cold water, as he pulls an endless
scarf from somewhere up his wondrous sleeve.
Now that it's time to leave, I'm glad I came...
although there was an overwelming smell,
and I'm afraid the kids will send our faithful
"Brownie" through a hoop when we get home.


Some joy comes in suprising memories
of animals and clowns, some acrobats
that bend, a horse that's straddled by a lady
dressed in white, a lion's roar inside
his cage, a quiet tent that says, "Good night."

This may be only my opinion and please disregard, but I think much of these final stanzas are repeating what has already been drawn for the reader. Perhaps taking a few of the more expressive lines and allowing the final line to gain more intent. Example:

Much joy comes from surprising memories
of clowns in floppy hats and torn up shoes
strutting around, a squirting flower stuck
in his lapel; he pulls an endless scarf
from deep within his wonder sleeve; It's time
to leave ... and even though I'm glad I came ...
I'm glad to leave that rancid smell behind
the quiet of the tent now says 'Good-Bye"


Hope something helps... What a wonderful day this must have been. I cannot wait till I take Lauren to the Circus! :)


Hugs, Liz

Liz, Thanks so much for your take on it...I have made a lot of changes, not all exactly the same , but in my own words... I have cut a lot out of it, but some of it I had to leave close to the same way because of the meter I tried to stick to.. I really loved some of your suggestions...Hope this makes it better than it was.

Thanks again...so much, Judi

[AMETHYST]

Hi Judi,


I really think the changes have brought this to a higher potential - I especially LOVE the final stanza. To my mind and eye, it is perfect! The changes actually give that final line a stronger, more profound meaning, allowing it to serve an even deeper intent for the poem overall, more so than just a lovely poem about the narrator's time at a circus. The ending now brings to my mind, a compareson of childhood aspirations and imaginations, of innocent ideals, which slowly fade away. I loved your use of 'hint' as it adds a slight detail of a whisper, but as if standing on the edge of a world that teeters between excitement and quiet.

I enjoyed this very much and must give you a


Hugs, Liz

[Judi]

Hi Judi,


I really think the changes have brought this to a higher potential - I especially LOVE the final stanza. To my mind and eye, it is perfect! The changes actually give that final line a stronger, more profound meaning, allowing it to serve an even deeper intent for the poem overall, more so than just a lovely poem about the narrator's time at a circus. The ending now brings to my mind, a compareson of childhood aspirations and imaginations, of innocent ideals, which slowly fade away. I loved your use of 'hint' as it adds a slight detail of a whisper, but as if standing on the edge of a world that teeters between excitement and quiet.

I enjoyed this very much and must give you a


Hugs, Liz


Hey...Thanks so much...My friends say thank you too, hah