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Guest_Nina_*
post Aug 2 05, 02:23
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Fran has raised the question of use of adverbs being unfashionable a couple of times on threads  which I hope she doesn't mind me quoting.


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Is there a single verb for 'tread eagerly' that would let you loose the adverb? I quite like adverbs (as does JKR, lol), but they are rather unfashionable these days


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again, would 'loom' or similar enable you to loose 'tower menacingly' ?


Why is it unfashionable?

Why should one follow the trend and lose the adverbs simply because it is not the "cool" thing to do so?

Who dictates what is or isn't the "in" style?

I thought poetry was about originality, leading not following and personally I can't understand this point of view.

Discuss please.

Nina
 
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Guest_Toumai_*
post Aug 2 05, 02:53
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Hi, Nina

I am sorry to have bothered you with that comment. What an excellent idea to raise it for discussion here.

I think we have two issues: one specific (adverbs) and one general (poetry leading not following).

In regard to the second, I quite agree. Hence, if adverbs are seen as less than cutting edge they may be removed (what a circular argument, lol - sorry).

Adverbs themselves describe a verb (I hope I got that right?); they are all those 'LY'-ending words like meanacingly, quickly, brightly, carefully, slowly.

If you say someone 'walked quickly' it is more descriptive to say s/he 'strode' or 'scampered' or 'jogged' - it gives an idea of the kind of movement - the gait as well as speed. Even if we just say s/he 'sped' we still loose a word (making the writing 'tighter' as beloved of poets especially).

So my main reasoning is that a) they rarely add to a description and b) they clutter the text, which would be tighter without them.

(A final point (which will not apply to any MM writers, of course) is that they are often taken as a sign of careless writing: if the verb was chosen well, an adverb would not be needed. I know that my first draft novel MS was horribly peppered with adverbs ... still some to be honed)

An interesting excercise is to take a passage of prose and remove all the adverbs. Read it out loud and compare it to the original version. Some of the adverbs may carry their weight, but many may be written out by careful initial choice of verb.

Does that clarify my heartless cruelty to adverbs?

Fran
 
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- Nina   Poetic Fashion   Aug 2 05, 02:23
- - Jox   Hi Nina, Fran, et al. Firstly, in any and all wal...   Aug 2 05, 03:01
- - Nina   Hi Fran Your comment didn't bother me in the ...   Aug 2 05, 06:52
- - Jox   Hi Nina, >N>(i.e. nothing I can argue against LOL...   Aug 2 05, 07:05
- - Nina   Hi James What an unusual lady you are! Never ...   Aug 2 05, 13:26
- - Jox   Hi Nina, No there is no point in arguing for the ...   Aug 2 05, 13:47
- - Nina   Hi James So, what's the next topic Good ques...   Aug 2 05, 13:54
- - Toumai   Milk it for what it's worth  :sun: Fran   Aug 2 05, 14:04
- - Cleo_Serapis   I agree with Fran that it appears a action verb in...   Aug 2 05, 14:33
- - Jox   My bug-bare with conjunctions is when writers put ...   Aug 2 05, 15:19
- - Jox   Fran, >F>Milk it for what it's worth If we s...   Aug 2 05, 15:22
- - Nina   J If we spend too long on it, people may become c...   Aug 2 05, 15:33
- - Jox   N :) J.   Aug 2 05, 15:37
- - Toumai   And what is the problem with conjunctions, Lori? B...   Aug 2 05, 15:41
- - Don   Hi all, I have a mentor older than I who believes...   Aug 2 05, 17:29
- - Cleo_Serapis   QUOTE (Toumai @ Aug. 02 2005, 16:41) And wha...   Aug 2 05, 18:21
- - Jox   Hi Lori, I agree with being tight in poetry (limi...   Aug 2 05, 18:28
- - Don   Hi Lori, I am more likely to use a conjunction (s...   Aug 2 05, 19:07
- - Cleo_Serapis   I know - I find it hard to not use complete senten...   Aug 7 05, 11:25
- - Don   QUOTE (Cleo_Serapis @ Aug. 07 2005, 12:25)I k...   Aug 7 05, 12:14
- - Don   Someone asked way back what is the other topic. ...   Aug 7 05, 14:07
- - jgdittier   Dear All, I haven't attempted prose and so my ...   Mar 31 08, 09:33

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