Some of you will have seen this link at the bottom of my last link to an example in the Rondeau Redouble thread:

http://www.noggs.dsl.pipex.com/vf/glose.htm


It differs from what Clement Wood says. (Aaaaargh!) So I'll copy those words too:

'The glose, which is superficially a freer variant of the rondeau redouble pattern, derives apparently from a different source, and is found more often in Spanish and Portuguese verse than in French. It begins, like the rondeau redouble, with a quatrain, here called the texte, which may be a quotation. This texte the glose proceeds to develop, in four stanzas of ten lines each, closing each stanza, as in the rondeau redouble, with the successive four lines of the texte. The concluding stanza and refrain of the rondeau redouble are omitted here. In the rhyme scheme, lines six, nine, and the tenth or texte line in each stanza rhyme; the rest of the rhyme scheme differs with different uses of the form.

Gleeson White, author of a definitive book on the French forms, was unable to discover at the time he wrote any example of the form in English. There are not many examples available. The texte in the following is from Graham R. Tomson's Ballade of Asphodel.

"Queen Prosperpine, at whose white feet 1a
In life my love I may not tell, 2b
Wilt give me welcome when we meet 1c
Along the mead of Asphodel?" 2d

Your Majesty, permit me to 3
Indite, as one would say, this bit 4
Of verse respectfully to you; 3
Of course admitting entre nous 3
You may not really fancy it; 4
Although it will be rather neat. 1
And yet the dedication's fit; 4
I want assistance from your wit: 4
I should permit my heart to beat 1
Queen Preserpine, at whose white feet? 1a

Remember, Proserpine, I know 5
That quite discriminatingly 6
You made your mind up long ago; 5
You did not like your Stygian beau; 5
He smacked a bit of deviltry-- 6
And you were not desogned for hell. 2
This shows you're quite a clever she; 6
Ergo, you ought to counsel me. 6
I must make up my mind, or, well-- 2
In life my love I may not tell 2b

Should I ask Venus, she would vote
(That surely is a goddess' right)
For some dame with "a quivering throat
And bosom of desire" -- I quote
From memory the line tonight.
Minerva would choose some discreet
Yound woman, staid and erudite;
But only she could give delight
Who would, though life's young roses sweet
Wilt, give me welcome when we meet. 1c

Come, choose her for me! Let her be
stately of dumpy, brown or fair,
If only she'll agree that we
Should learn to dwell in harmony,
Giving a gat good-bye to care --
A beatific way to dwell!
Come, Queen, be gracious to my prayer!
But, no! Such maidens here are rare;
You'll scarce find such a demoiselle
Along the mead of Asphodel! 2d

The Quest,Clement Wood.

Naturally, the rhyming scheme of the texte (which is 1,2,1,2 here) dictates the rhyming of the sixth, ninth and tenth lines of each main stanza. In many examples, the quatrain that forms the texte may have any quatrain rhyming, and so a similar extent dictates similar rhymes in each stanza. It is permissable to use the same rhymes in each stanza, except where the rhyme-sound of the texte line ordains differently. In other words, the four stanzas might be:

1-a, 2-b, 1-c, 2-d
3,4,3,3,4,1,3,3,1, 1-a
3,4,3,3,4,2,3,3,2, 2-b
3,4,3,3,4,1,3,3,1, 1-c
3,4,3,3,4,2,3,3,2, 2-d

This is not required by the strict rules." Clement concludes.

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WOW Kathy = this looks really interesting!

I had not had the pleasure of seeing or hearing of this Glose form until today. Thanks for sharing it!

I'll be back to try my hand at it.

Cheers
~Cleo

Well, ya totally lost me. The example doesn't seem to correspond with that in the link, and I have absolutely no clue what the NUMBERS mean, except they're new rhymes, I guess. What is the difference between those and LETTERS? Why both?

Pardon my total ignorance, please. I am absolutely overwhelmed here. Sorry

Hi Kathy

WOW! I also had never heard of the "Glose" form before reading this, but it appears to be the type of form I would enjoy making. I love the variating lines of rhyme it calls for, allows for space between the repetitive rhymes (as in the Redouble, every other line is a rhyme of the same sound) where this gives more sounds to bounce off of - and also more room to allow a story and/or metaphor to develop and grow.

I have just printed the params on this and I have been mulling over a subject for a poem, but had no specific form that jumped out and said, this fits like a glove (The Glose just might fit like a glove) :)

Will be back with my attempts...

Hugs, Liz ~

Sorry, Daniel. It IS confusing. But, as you guessed, some folks use numbers for rhymes, and letters for lines to be repeated as a refrain. When there are four refrain lines they have to be differentiated, but it can just as easily be done using letters for the rhymes and numbers for the refrain lines.

Does that make sense?

Check it out in the examples; it will all come clear.

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These things are brain teasers.

I have been searching cyber-space for better examples than the above, but there isn't much around. (BTW) I gather that the Glose is supposed to be complementary to another poem, elaborating on a verse, adding a personal slant or extending the theme in the original spirit.


This lady seems prominent as a writer of Glose. Her poems are almost free verse, with no set metre and slant rhymes. Never-the-less, her work is interesting, and I hope it helps to inspire you. See what you think.

http://www.poetrymagazines.org.uk/magazine...rd.asp?id=14755

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Liz, if you like forms with varying rhymes in a set pattern, you might like the Ode. I do. I'll post something and see if you do too.

K