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Kathy
The below is taken from this link, with an example of my own to illustrate it:

http://www.forwardpress.co.uk/04_workshop/workshop_02.htm

The Rondeau Redouble

The rondeau redouble is the French translation of a double rondeau. Consisting of 25 lines, it features a four-line refrain which forms the first quatrain. These four lines are then used successively as the last lines of the following four quatrains. The sixth and final stanza is a quintrain which contains no repetition of previous lines; it does, however, include a 'tail' which is the beginning clause or phrase from line one.

The same two rhymes are used throughout and the rhyming scheme is as follows:

Stanza One: A1B1A2B2
Stanza Two: babA1
Stanza Three: abaB1
Stanza Four: babA2
Stanza Five: abaB2
Stanza Six: baba + tail from line one

* I've just amended this to make it clearer, but found myself getting confused, starting from the typo at the site...noticed by Mr Sharpeyes. Thanks, Daniel.

I'm going to copy from The Complete Rhyming Dictionary, by Clement Wood.
Whoops, migraine coming.... will come back later when I can see....

** Back again. Perhaps the impending migraine contributed to the confusion? Anyway, here's what Clement Wood had to say:

'The rondeau redouble, a remote relative of the rondeau, is in reality a formalised Theme With Variations treatment. It starts with a quatrain as a theme. This is followed by four additional quatrains, in each of which successively lines one, two, three and four of the theme quatrain appear as the terminal lines. A concluding stanza has four lines of regular length, and a refrain (the first half of line one) to terminate.
An example will make this clearer:

Rondeau Redouble by Cosmo Monkhouse.

My soul is sick of nightingale and rose, 1-a
The purfume and the darkness of the grove; 2-b
I weary of the fevers and the throes, 1-c
And all the enervating dreams of love. 2-d

At morn I love to hear the lark, and rove 2
The meadows, where the simple daisy shows 1
Her guiltless bosom to the skies above -- 2
My soul is sick of nightingale and rose. 1a

The afternoon is sweet, and sweet repose, 1
But let me lie where breeze-blown branches move 2
I hate the stillness where the sunbeams doze, 1
The perfume and the darkness of the grove. 2b

I love to hear at eve the gentle dove 2
Contented coo the day's delighted close. 1
She sings of love and all the calm thereof, -- 2
I weary of the fevers and the throes. 1c

I love the night, who like a mother throws 1
Her arms round hearts that throbbed and limbs that strove, 2
As kind as Death, that puts an end to woes 1
And all the enevating dreams of love. 2d

Because my soul is sick of fancies wove 2
Oh fervid ecstacies and crimson glows; 1
Because the taste of cinnamon and clove 2
Palls on my palate -- let no man suppose 1
My soul is sick. REFRAIN


As far as rhyming goes, repose--suppose and throes-- throws are identities, and not rhymes.' Clement writes.

I found the above example a bit laboured, with archaic subjects and inversions, which is why I posted one of mine as a more modern example.

Here 'tis:


Forgive (Rondeau Redouble.)


Forgive yourself, my son, for errors past,
for weaknesses are only strengths reflected;
mistakes that seem so glaring, when recast
may bring solutions if they are respected.

Adventures led to outcomes unexpected;
and some were bound to leave you quite aghast,
in light of reason, do not be dejected,
forgive yourself, my son, for errors past.

Oh hold your self-respect and hold it fast!
Your tender heart deserves to be protected,
and self-recrimination cannot last,
for weaknesses are only strengths reflected.

Your strengths are vital, let them be directed,
for deep within you lies a wisdom vast;
you’ll see how inexperience affected
mistakes that seem so glaring, when recast.

And when the benefits have been amassed,
when all the stepping-stones have been connected,
be proud my son that journeys unsurpassed
may bring solutions if they are respected.

Then when your future course has been selected,
please know that strengths and weaknesses contrast;
they complement each other when inspected;
there never was a need to be downcast.
Forgive yourself my son.


KE
AMETHYST
Wow, Hi Kathy,


Thank you so much for posting this an introducing this to MM. The Quatrain Refrain is a bit different only that it lacks that final stanza. I guess it is too close to the primary Rondeau Redouble to keep it as my own, huh? unsure.gif highfive.gif

You're emaple is exemplary.

I'll be back to this in a bit... I just had to say how much I love this poem! wink.gif
Kathy
QUOTE (AMETHYST @ Mar 22 07, 11:11 ) *
Wow, Hi Kathy,


Thank you so much for posting this an introducing this to MM. The Quatrain Refrain is a bit different only that it lacks that final stanza. I guess it is too close to the primary Rondeau Redouble to keep it as my own, huh? unsure.gif highfive.gif

You're emaple is exemplary.

I'll be back to this in a bit... I just had to say how much I love this poem! wink.gif


Well Liz, you did all the right things, a search was done and you were given the green light. So the form belongs to you, I reckon. The investigating authority should've told you about the Rondeau Redouble though, I think.
AMETHYST
Ah, I wish I could, in all good conscious offer the changed form as my own. Even though no one else connected the two forms as simular, the fact that I now know is is more of a variant on the Rondeau Redouble, and wouldn't be able to take credit for it.

I have started to work on a Rondeau Redouble! :) Perhaps it might stir some new musings- I am using your example as a bouncing board to inspire me! Thank you!
JustDaniel
Just a note to correct a typo:

QUOTE
abbA1 = babA1
abaB1
babA2
abaB2
abab
tail from line one

I don't have time to attempt one just now, but I promise that I will.

deLightingly, Daniel sun.gif

P.S. ... and Liz,

Forgive thyself, my daughter...! You acted all in good faith; you actually DID produce your form without any knowledge of this form, about which I've never heard a thing myself before yesterday!
AMETHYST
QUOTE (JustDaniel @ Mar 22 07, 08:19 ) *
Just a note to correct a typo:

QUOTE
abbA1 = babA1
abaB1
babA2
abaB2
abab
tail from line one

I don't have time to attempt one just now, but I promise that I will.

deLightingly, Daniel sun.gif

P.S. ... and Liz,

Forgive thyself, my daughter...! You acted all in good faith; you actually DID produce your form without any knowledge of this form, about which I've never heard a thing myself before yesterday!



Yes Daniel, Thank you - I remember when I first presented it, I figured if anyone had heard of it you would have. I searched google, I sent a request to the literary department to the Michigan State University and several others, those that replied all said they did not recognize any registered form simular to this- I am so glad that I've met someone to clarify this - I would really have hated to have done a Chapbook or a book on Quatrain Refrains, claiming it as my own and then have some sort of legal mess! LOL

Thank You Kathy for saving the day! (I've been working on a chapbook that is completely Quatrain Refrains, :)

THUMBS UP! You rescued me! Now at least I might continue to d othat, but perhaps will make them all Rondeau Redoubles! :)

Hugs liz
Kathy
Quite right, Norman! I didn't notice that, and it was taken straight from the site! I might try to amend my post, as it is difficult to understand. I had to check my book to make sure.

Thanks.

And Liz, I am really sorry to have been the one to tell you about the RD. I guess it is better for you to know than, though.

I am angry with the people who didn't bother to warn you! Surely they couldn't claim not to know about it!

.
Kathy
Here's another link, and another example:

http://www.noggs.dsl.pipex.com/vf/rondouble.htm
AMETHYST
claps.gif Bravo, Bravo ... I love that poem "An Irish Lament" what an amazingly drawn poem. The meter variations through out bring it to life with a walt-like rhythm and the story/meaning and soft metaphors are strong and dramatic. The repended lines are barely noticable. IT TRULY IS WRITTEN IN A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE FORM!

Sometimes, God sends just the right people into our lives for reasons ... and you have a purpose here! And I grateful. As I mentioned I was starting a chapbook to Introduce this new form and I am glad I hadn't done so. However, I really dont think that many poets/members and others that have been asked are aware of this form. I know I never saw it before. But will propbably fall in love with it! :)

Hugs, Liz ... PS Thank you for this second link I LOVE the poem and will most likely use it to stir some of my soon to come poetry.
Kathy
You amaze me. I think I like you very much. You could so easily have been angry with me, but no, instead there's this wonderfully mature, warm response.

I curtsy again.
AMETHYST
HAHAAA...

I could never imagine being angry about learning something that I needed to learn! Thank you. Right now I am working on a Rondeau Redouble, and a Glose, I find the Glose fascinating! :) WIll check out the Ode now

Thank you for introducing us to these new forms (new to us!) :)

Hugs, Liz


PS I like you very much, I find you to be kind, intelligent and warm and it is nice to know there are people still out there that share those qualities freely!

Blessings to you... Liz
Kathy
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